Understanding God’s election
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Hah! God has allotted to every man a measure of faith (Rom 12:3). But the earlier portion of v.3 qualifies who "every man" is! This is how the entire verse reads:
Rom 12:3
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among YOU, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
KJV
And the "you" in this verse can only be the original audience to whom Paul was writing (Rom 1:7, 13)...and again this is reinforced in 12:1 wherein he addresses his audience as "brethren". In short, the "every man" among "you" is limited to believers. Every child of God has been allotted a measure of faith.
Rom 12:3
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among YOU, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
KJV
And the "you" in this verse can only be the original audience to whom Paul was writing (Rom 1:7, 13)...and again this is reinforced in 12:1 wherein he addresses his audience as "brethren". In short, the "every man" among "you" is limited to believers. Every child of God has been allotted a measure of faith.
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I didn't equate the two. YOU did! Evidently, 2Jn 10-11 inspired YOU to relate that story. 
You would be stuck in a corner if you were not able to confuse and obfuscate and get the minds of others off the fact that you could not deal with the issue.
Calvinism is Beza-ism. It was created by a committee of followers of Calvin after John Calvin died.
Calvin never said what they forced into distorted dogma. "Irresistible Grace" is an oxymoron.
The Bezites were just reflecting the same kind of corrupt authoritarian mental attitude to counter what Catholicism had become.
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LOL.
You have been caught. Again. Red handed.
You have been caught totally failing to truly understand the PHENOMENON of Abraham.
Likewise, you have ALREADY been caught totally failing to truly understand the PHENOMENON of:
-Adam and Eve and their trial
-the lies of Satan and by what ways and means he seduces/deceives angels and men
-Job and his trial
-the saga of Jacob-Esau
-the Exodus
-the Nation Israel
-the Old Covenant
-the New Covenant
How do I know that you do not know?
Because you Calvinites have painted a portrait of Jesus God. And it ain't pretty.
Actually its a horrible disfigurement.
What you DO possess are some vague notions of how Jesus saves some and condemns others before they were ever created.
Anyhoo......shriek from you dungeon all you want. There is NO WAY that I am going down to where you are.
You have been caught. Again. Red handed.
You have been caught totally failing to truly understand the PHENOMENON of Abraham.
Likewise, you have ALREADY been caught totally failing to truly understand the PHENOMENON of:
-Adam and Eve and their trial
-the lies of Satan and by what ways and means he seduces/deceives angels and men
-Job and his trial
-the saga of Jacob-Esau
-the Exodus
-the Nation Israel
-the Old Covenant
-the New Covenant
How do I know that you do not know?
Because you Calvinites have painted a portrait of Jesus God. And it ain't pretty.
Actually its a horrible disfigurement.
What you DO possess are some vague notions of how Jesus saves some and condemns others before they were ever created.
Anyhoo......shriek from you dungeon all you want. There is NO WAY that I am going down to where you are.
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Are you saying that the nation of Israel did not hear the gospel?
Israel was chosen by the sovereignty of God and not the Gentiles.
Were the ears of the nation of Israel blocked or did they hear it and refuse to comply?
Paul said Israel was grafted out because they pursued a self-righteousness gained from the law.
After Israel was severed from Christ and that was national judgement.
Then the grace of God was offered to the Gentile nations.
That is a summary of Romans.
The Gentiles heard the gospel and then put that gift of faith into action.
You hear the gospel and respond to the gospel.
No one can believe or have faith in Jesus without hearing the gospel first.
Israel was chosen by the sovereignty of God and not the Gentiles.
Were the ears of the nation of Israel blocked or did they hear it and refuse to comply?
Paul said Israel was grafted out because they pursued a self-righteousness gained from the law.
After Israel was severed from Christ and that was national judgement.
Then the grace of God was offered to the Gentile nations.
That is a summary of Romans.
The Gentiles heard the gospel and then put that gift of faith into action.
You hear the gospel and respond to the gospel.
No one can believe or have faith in Jesus without hearing the gospel first.
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The offspring of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are saved?
The nation of Israel are the offspring of the twelve sons of Jacob.
Israel was severed from, grafted out of, Christ.
God chose certain Hebrews for the realization of the promise.
No one knows whether Egypt or Pharoah was saved or condemned.
As for Ishmael was he saved or not?
The scripture is silent on these people's salvation and it's not up to us to decide such things.
Your talking as if the only saved people in the O.T were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
The nation of Israel are the offspring of the twelve sons of Jacob.
Israel was severed from, grafted out of, Christ.
God chose certain Hebrews for the realization of the promise.
No one knows whether Egypt or Pharoah was saved or condemned.
As for Ishmael was he saved or not?
The scripture is silent on these people's salvation and it's not up to us to decide such things.
Your talking as if the only saved people in the O.T were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
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you know I was wondering something today. For those who believe in election I have a question if some were predestined for salvation while other were not why bother trying to save souls? I mean sure you might bring some who were predestined to be saved but then others who were predestined not for salvation you are just wasting your time and effort on them right?
So say that election is truth why then do you bother to try to save souis assuming you do that of course I don't know how many actually try to bring others to Christ but we were commanded to do so by Jesus, except then comes the issue of salbation for the elect and then the non elect
So say that election is truth why then do you bother to try to save souis assuming you do that of course I don't know how many actually try to bring others to Christ but we were commanded to do so by Jesus, except then comes the issue of salbation for the elect and then the non elect
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Ephisians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.
You were not sealed with the Holy Spirit until AFTER you believed in Jesus.
You did not have the Holy Spirit before you heard the gospel.
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
In Christ you have been chosen to be holy, blameless, and loving of others.
Before anyone heard the gospel of Jesus Christ were they bearing the fruit of the Holy Spirit?
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.
You were not sealed with the Holy Spirit until AFTER you believed in Jesus.
You did not have the Holy Spirit before you heard the gospel.
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
In Christ you have been chosen to be holy, blameless, and loving of others.
Before anyone heard the gospel of Jesus Christ were they bearing the fruit of the Holy Spirit?
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