Understanding God’s election

Hmm ok I guess not really even making sense of this one you speak for everyone now ?

See when you say "we HAVE to" accept it, you are taking credit. There is nothing we CAN do to be saved, defiantly nothing we "HAVE TO DO". You are just wrong about this and you worship your choice not God.

Funny, that is the true "hypergrace"

Insightful indeed!

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Because the way to be saved is to not accept the gospel ? You aren’t making any sense should I reject the gospel ? Or accept it ? Or just pretend I don’t have any option ?

Everyone = all the Calvinist you see here, how bout that. Just the ones I've seen you do this to. Good enough?

You are correct @Pilgrimshope we are called to believe/have faith IN Christ Jesus and what He offers.
Believing is not a work.

“and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

( apparently receiving a gift he offers steals his glory )

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:10-12‬ ‭

2 Peter 1:6-10
6 And in knowledge, abstinence; and in abstinence, patience; and in patience, godliness; 7 And in godliness, love of brotherhood; and in love of brotherhood, charity. 8 For if these things be with you and abound, they will make you to be neither empty nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he that hath not these things with him, is blind, and groping, having forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time.

Yeah you guys ( calvanists) I guess , get really upset when someone shows you scripture and it doesn’t say what Joseph princes latest book taught you

Nice section of actual doctrine !

No faith, no believing, no trusting, no receiving...

"You worship your choice not God" why would you say something like this? I guess God predestined you to say this.

Thats the problem alright. Brutal stygian ignorance of the OT and its manifold nuances.

Naw it’s just a choice or decision we make when he places ot before us the works come as we learn the gospel

“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

hearing isn’t a work believing isn’t a work it’s a decision we have to make . We need to be like Mary and make the right choice

“And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: but one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:39-42‬ ‭

imagine the choice Martha just was confronted with ? Do I keep running around busy and complaining while Jesus is here speaking life ? Or do I listen to him ?

How special does it make you feel believing you must protect the gospel from those with whom you disagree?

Do you believe that being born again is not a literal event?

Or do you believe what Jesus said?

What's funny is Giving God glory for our salvation ='s hypergrace to you. For me it was alway the "I'm saved now and can sin all I want without worry" attitude that was the hypergrace movement.
Now I guess it's for those who believe that God saves us in power and gets all the glory for it, and man gets NONE. Even after I'm transformed overnight and give up porn, stop playing games to spend more time with my family, start learning all I can about Him and His word as I testify out on the streets, in the nursing homes, and in the jailhouse, and ALL because He saved a fool like me who NEVER deserved anything at all like this, and has kept me for 12 years now, and because I say He drew me in, He gave me faith, He granted me repentance, and He resurrected my spirit and reconciled it to His. Not only that but it's only because of this transformation that I've done any of these things to glorify His name. All Him I take no credit, and want none. Now this is hypergrace?

Whatever, you guys lie anyway.

Agree. This faulty Calvinite idea that believing is a "work" is disastrous. And dangerous.

Another Calvinite phantasm, a figment of their imagination.

Amen!

People can and do refrain from sinning and people can and do respond to the life giving truth of the Gospel.

And being a sinner (as all men are) does not incapacitate them from responding to the light of the Gospel.

God would NEVER, EVER send a message to lost people that was insufficient for lost people to respond to, people perish because they refuse to accept the truth, God provides for all of His enemies because He is Love, Good and Merciful.

No one is born rejected by God. Full stop.

I am glad you know this God, the one and true God!

Seems like the plan of God from before the foundation of the world.

BTW, it is clear from Scripture that there will be a DIVIDING, and Jesus will be doing this as the Great Divider.
Dividing darkness from light, goats from sheep, tares from wheat, unrepentant from the saved, heaven from hell.

Having said that, God has made it clear that no-one is (against their will) forced to enter His kingdom, nor is anyone barred either.
God is not a cosmic tyrant the way Satan says that He is.

Ironic how they think they have no grounds for boasting, and yet they are God's chosen and will explain how they were chosen.