Understanding God’s election

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cv5

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For someone who prides himself for being so learned and smart and spiritually savvy, why are so many of your posts written on the K-level of a little child? And I say this at the risk of insulting such children.
I really do not care what you think of me.

All I know for sure is that I have escaped from the Calvinista death cult prison and there is no way that I will ever go back.
 

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I really do not care what you think of me.

All I know for sure is that I have escaped from the Calvinista death cult prison and there is no way that I will ever go back.
Since you have zero concern for how others think of you, this tells me you have equally as little concern about your witness and testimony of Christ that you present to everyone here.
 

cv5

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Since you have zero concern for how others think of you, this tells me you have equally as little concern about your witness and testimony of Christ that you present to everyone here.
You might be the warden of everybody else in that Calvinite prison you are running.

But as for me, I am a free man, so quit wasting your time.
And my objective is to free as many others from the slammer as I possibly can.
 

Genez

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Both elect Jews and Gentiles choose salvation after they have been alive in Christ by God. Since the physically dead have no inherent ability, what makes you think that the spiritual dead have any?

You repeated the dogma near perfect!

You are almost ready to make a living pastoring a Calvinistic church?

(I hear Baptist pay better)
 

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You might be the warden of everybody else in that Calvinite prison you are running.

But as for me, I am a free man, so quit wasting your time.
And my objective is to free as many others from the slammer as I possibly can.
God frees people from the slammer. Sometimes He uses us. He plucks the brands from the fire.
 

Genez

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Your argument fails on the grounds of the flood of Noah's era.

All died apart from Noah's family and only Noah was chosen to be saved.

There is nothing redeemable in humanity.

God's love for His creation is the fundamental reason for our salvation.

We were already dead when Christ died for us and we are still dead in Christ.

The only life, redemption, fruit, works, belongs to Christ's reconciliation and the Holy Spirit within us.

By grace through faith and nothing of ourselves, means we are not capable of anything
approaching righteousness in ourselves.

The real truth is love was a gift of the Holy Spirit because we do not love others.

The gospel itself, Christ alone, should be idiot proof, but we have found ways to even undermine
Christ's sovereignty.
All Noah's family resisted the fallen angels who had been procreating with human women...
It was the mutated gene pool that God also destroyed in the flood!
 

Genez

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Popcorn softens the tone.

This debate has been raging for centuries.

One day we will get a resolution.
It might have already been resolved...

Having the answer is no guarantee that all will agree.

God needs to keep having it repeated from generation to generation because fallen angels are the kings of denial.
 

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Both elect Jews and Gentiles choose salvation after they have been alive in Christ by God. Since the physically dead have no inherent ability, what makes you think that the spiritual dead have any?
I don't, I believe God is the first cause and that mankind is dead in sin.

I don't believe the letter to the Romans is an essay on the sovereignty of God.

Romans is telling everyone why Israel failed.

There is a better way of approaching these debates rather than an endless head-butting.

Perhaps a focus on Christ's unconditional love for us and His grace, might be a more rewarding
pursuit.
 

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I really do not care what you think of me.

All I know for sure is that I have escaped from the Calvinista death cult prison and there is no way that I will ever go back.

When there are so many who have this same testimony there has to be something wrong/harmful with this doctrine.
 

cv5

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All Noah's family resisted the fallen angels who had been procreating with human women...
It was the mutated gene pool that God destroyed in the flood!
Agree.
And interestingly, Abram likewise resisted the King of Sodom (and what he was offering) in Genesis 14.
And what is MORE interesting is that the King of Sodom dies in verse 10.
And there is ANOTHER King of Sodom all of a sudden.....juxtaposed with Melchizedek (having neither beginning of days, nor end of life).

So you have Satan (King of Sodom), God (Melchizedek) and the man Abram all packed together and Abram tithes to God
and rebukes the worldly offer of Satan. Abram rejects the bribe and chooses to save/redeem the souls of all of the men instead.

[Gen 14:20 KJV]
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

[Gen 14:23 KJV]
That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

Aaaaaand then you have the covenant of Genesis 15! What a coincidence.

Pretty cool huh?


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[Heb 7:1 KJV]
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

[Heb 7:2 KJV]
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

[Heb 7:3 KJV]
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
 

cv5

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When there are so many who have this same testimony there has to be something wrong/harmful with this doctrine.
A reactionary outburst of outrage given the reality of yet another prison break happening is my guess.
This simply will not do if you are a Calvinite jailer.
 

cv5

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Genesis 6 tells us that the sons of God reproduced with the "daughters of men", and produced giants.
Undoubtedly. Conclusively proven below.

2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house G3613 which is from heaven:

Jde 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, G3613 he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. a dwelling place, habitation
    1. of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit
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Fallen angels took a "downgrade".
The redeemed get an "upgrade".

So much for alternative theories eh?
 

Genez

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Undoubtedly. Conclusively proven below.

2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house G3613 which is from heaven:

Jde 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, G3613 he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. a dwelling place, habitation
    1. of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit
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Fallen angels took a "downgrade".
The redeemed get an "upgrade".

So much for alternative theories eh?
Which leads to the big question.... Almost, too big to ask.

Why were those angels able to sexually reproduce?

"When they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage,
but they are like the angels in heaven" Mark 12:25

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage,
but are like angels in heaven." Matthew 22:30


Jesus said that specifically about God's angels in heaven.

Not all angels!

Why did the Lord design angels with the ability to reproduce sexually?


grace and peace!
 

cv5

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lol serpent seed. oh dear...
Oh it gets worse. Much worse.

Goliath was a Satan-man, a type of the anti-Christ.

Judas was a Satan-man, a type of the anti-Christ.

And the Son of Perdition, the beast, the little horn will ALSO be a literal Satan-man.
Who will reach the zenith of his power AFTER being indwelt by Satan mid-trib.
THEN the 10 kings submit to this seemingly unkillable warrior who blasphemes God to his face (think Goliath the Nephilim).
And THEN then mark of the beast is instituted (super-soldier DNA altering fallen angel juice....who really knows?).
And THEN the persecution of Israel and gentile believers begins in earnest.

So yea. Fallen angels merging with humankind it is.

And just to let you know, EVERY INCIDENT where there is unholy contact between angelic beings and mankind
MASSIVE CATASTROPHIC JUDGEMENTS occurred thereafter. Such as Sodom for example.
Remember......the Angel of the Lord and two other angels incident?

And something else.....the two angels that entered Sodom were TWO WITNESSES.
Which is of course a necessity before any righteous judgement can occur.

Think the two witnesses of Revelation. Same deal.
 

Genez

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Oh it gets worse. Much worse.

Goliath was a Satan-man, a type of the anti-Christ.

Judas was a Satan-man, a type of the anti-Christ.

And the Son of Perdition, the beast, the little horn will ALSO be a literal Satan-man.
Who will reach the zenith of his power AFTER being indwelt by Satan mid-trib.
THEN the 10 kings submit to this seemingly unkillable warrior who blasphemes God to his face (think Goliath the Nephilim).
And THEN then mark of the beast is instituted (super-soldier DNA altering fallen angel juice....who really knows?).
And THEN the persecution of Israel and gentile believers begins in earnest.

So yea. Fallen angels merging with humankind it is.

And just to let you know, EVERY INCIDENT where there is unholy contact between angelic beings and mankind
MASSIVE CATASTROPHIC JUDGEMENTS occurred thereafter. Such as Sodom for example.
Remember......the Angel of the Lord and two other angels incident?

And something else.....the two angels that entered Sodom were TWO WITNESSES.
Which is of course a necessity before any righteous judgement can occur.

Think the two witnesses of Revelation. Same deal.
Fallen angels can no longer physically reproduce with humans.