Revival

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glf

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"Will You not revive us again, that Your people may rejoice in You" (Psalm 85:6).

I use the term 'revival' loosely here to mean 'a supernatural and ongoing moving of God'. One day a buddy of mine took me to a 28-Day Fast for Revival morning prayer. While I was there, God used three people to reveal that despite prayer and fasting, there would (will) be no revival without boldness.

There are many elements to revival. Boldness is one of the foundational ones. God spoke that way during that morning prayer because the two ministers leading the prayer looked pretty effeminate like they bathed in milk and honey three times a day. They wanted to receive prophetic words of how great they were and weren't adding anything to the focus on revival itself. One man to my left said God was telling him that revival will not come without boldness. Several minutes after that, the only two elderly men there each said they were receiving a message from the Bible (there were eight men all together). Here are the passages they shared:

1.) 1st Man: "Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus... And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness" (Acts 4).

2.) 2nd Man: "Pray always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints— and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel" (Ephesians 6:18-19).

We agreed that boldness was 'the word of the hour'. But practically speaking, there is a lack of courage in modern christianity. Courage has been traded for showmanship, men acting confident and tough when they're usually just ignorant or rebellious. As I say, "In America, we have haughtiness rather than dignity; arrogance rather than confidence, and conceit rather than self-esteem." It isn't difficult to notice the lack of boldness and to realize the need for boldness if we will have revival. I have seen revivals begin in seed form, fetal stage, or infancy stage only to be stifled, aborted, or suffocated. So God isn't waiting only for some appointed time to send revival; the world, the flesh, and the devil play major roles in suffocating all the revivals He has been trying to send for many years.

Unfortunately, most christians don't want revival because they're comfortable. For many people , asking for revival is like asking someone else to come and have dominion over your home and all your finances and possessions. Who does that? Revival 'draws' Jesus to stage an incursion into our world. I think many people's worlds are safe and comfortable enough, at least there is a possibility of it becoming comfortable enough, to where we don't need anything more. But revival is definitely on God's mind and always has been. It's supposed to be a normal way of life for christians-- not the 'goosebumps and glory' so many are looking for but 'the settlement of God among His people'. Israel wasn't too thrilled about it on the mountain either. But there are people who are longing for it; furthermore, the world needs it. God also will be glorified, so 'revivals' are on the way.


Many of us feel that we're in the last days. That we're living in a time where there must be a falling away for the end times to come. Many feel that the seven Churches in Asia, listed in Rev 2-3, represent the condition of the body of Christ through seven distinct ages before the arrival of the Great Tribulation. The last Church listed is the luke-warm and back-sliding church of Laodicea which is ready to be spewed out of the Lord's mouth. How can there be revival while we're falling away? All seven of the Churches of Asia were from that early period. Most of them had issues, but two of them were doing well. In those with issues, Jesus spoke of what they needed to improve. Thus it is possible for a church even in the worst of times to improve or have revival. 2 Chron 7: 14 tells us how to accomplish it. It begins with you, with our neighbor(s), it begins with me. It begins with humbling ourselves before the Lord. It begins with prayer and seeking the Lord's presence. It begins with repentance for our sinfulness, our slothfulness, and our neglect of scripture. The promise of the New Covenant allows us to keep it where Israel couldn't keep the Old Covenant, which is that the Lord will write his commandments and statutes into our hearts and minds by Holy Spirit as we draw near to the Lord, who is found within the pages of scripture by the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
2 Chr 7: 14:
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
1 Tim 4: 1:
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Thes 2: 3:
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Heb 8: 8-12:
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Rev 3: 14-19:
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 

homwardbound

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Judgment is NOT to be always seen as condemnation.
Israel was judged many times by God for its sins to turn them around to restoration.
The church is being judged now during the falling away before the tribulation begins. Those who truly see it are working out their salvation with fear & trembling as they watch their friends & loved ones turn away from God.
Christ is getting His church ready, and that's always good, but what He has to do to some is old fashioned judgment, hoping for them to repent.
All things work together for good for them that love God. The reason it's written like this is because some christians can't see judgment as a "good" thing at all.
people punish, God disciplines
 

glf

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people punish, God disciplines
Amen!

Heb 12: 4-7:
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12: 10-11:
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
1 Cor 11: 27-32:
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Rev 3: 19:
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 

Edify

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The church isn't being judged, if by the church you mean the redeemed. When judgment begins at the house of God, God is separating wheat and chaff. He is not destroying wheat. God may chasten His own, but He doesn't judge His own. They aren't under condemnation.
At times Israel was judged. But at most points true Israel was only a remnant. So corporate Israel may have been judged, but not the redeemed of Israel.
Someone in Christ has passed from death to life. They are not subject to judgment.
You really ought to search the scriptures. Judgment can be good or bad, depending on the circumstances.
Is not God judging between the righteous & the fallen when He separates them in a church split?
The righteous somehow find a good church while the others are sent to a bad place where they totally fall away.
His judgment determines who goes where.
 

Cameron143

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You really ought to search the scriptures. Judgment can be good or bad, depending on the circumstances.
Is not God judging between the righteous & the fallen when He separates them in a church split?
The righteous somehow find a good church while the others are sent to a bad place where they totally fall away.
His judgment determines who goes where.
Apparently I'm not alone in needing to search the scriptures.