Would Christ Vote?

You will be waiting along time for this world to be fair and perfect.

As it is you just don't like the choices so you rather refer to them as evil.

It's broken because there wasn't any decent candidates that you like. That's being a dictator.

Who said anything about wanting the world to be fair and perfect?

No, a dictator is someone who demands that people sit down and shut up.

You think it ends in evil regardless of voting. Voting has allowed everyone on this site. To speak their minds. You won't see anybody from North Korea,Iran, China speaking their minds. That is the result of the lack of voting.

That's what you tell yourself sit down and shut up, there are no good candidates.

That doesn't make any sense. If you know it's illogical rhetoric, how can you be manipulated? You would be doubly foolish if, in the knowing, you were still manipulated.

You are looking at Christ 's actions when He came to save the world. Start looking at His actions when He returns and you will see His ruling of the world is the true politics. Foreign policy will be done a little differently. Instead of trade embargoes, He will withhold the rain which, is way more effective.

Zechariah 14:17
And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

We live in a fallen world, corruption is everywhere. If one is going to withdraw on the basis of something being corrupt in places, we will not be involved in anything. The whole point of my statement is to get in there to prevent the corruption overtaking the system and controlling it without any checks or balances. Why my statement should boggle your mind boggles mine. Should we (Christians) stand against nothing and let the corruption take over?

I'm in my Father's business which is one of redemption and reconciliation, not "eek, I don't want to get my hands dirty".

You go your way and I'll go mine.

ps. In my country, our politicians are called ministers. Our chief, equivalent to your President, is called the Prime Minister.

pps. It might also be worthwhile understanding what I mean when I use the word "politics".

Definition - The art or science of government or governing, especially the governing of a political entity, such as a nation, and the administration and control of its internal and external affairs.

I'm going to trust the one who listens and feels my pain.

Bound by one Spirit. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

flipping a coin is a universally standard example of a probabilistic distribution, because it's easy to understand that it is a random outcome and nearly everyone is familiar with it.
maybe got-questions got it from me. i got it from studying math for 20 years.

a process with a random outcome, such as flipping a coin or casting lots, is explicitly not like ((or similar to)) voting. not even a little bit.
it is exactly the opposite of voting - it is specifically done in order to remove all human influence from a decision, because it is understood that only God alone can control a completely random event.

well no, Chairman Mao Zedong was elected by popular vote, actually. those kinds of oppressive regimes are actually the result of voting for charismatic, extreme right wing nationalists who desire great power and appeal to an unwitting populace by blaming their political enemies for everything that is wrong with the world - then giving them unreproachable power to do whatever they want without any consequences for or checks on their behavior.

grab some popcorn buddy

Thank you for showing that.

Mao Zedong is the leader of China today. There's no opposition allowed anymore.

Sorry I don't do popcorn.

It's not a random outcome, it's an unknown outcome. You can't just go throwing randomness into the universe and expect it to turn out the way you want.

If we knew (or could control) beforehand all the forces applied to the the toss , directly and indirectly, we would know the outcome before the coin was flipped.

From what I've read on china a bit ago. The country has never had open elections where the people of china can vote for a leader. Before 1949 communist take over, there where dynasties and other authoritarian rulers.

in a famous exchange of letters between two friends who were fairly good at physics, A and B, an argument took place over whether the physical universe is deterministic or probabilistic - that is, does all the evidence show that we could totally predict the future with 100% accuracy if we knew all the forces applied to it, all the positions and velocities of all the things involved?
A lost the argument.

Mao Zedong was elected by over 600 delegates in the 3rd congress of the communist party after their revolution overturned thousands of years of imperial rule.

by contrast, in the american system the popular vote is technically meaningless - the president is chosen by 538 state electors who are under no compulsion to vote in a way that reflects the expressed wishes of the small percentage of people of their respective states who turned out. the constitution of the united states doesn't even require those electors to be chosen by voting. the states can flip coins if they want.

538 < 600

Maybe they should have stuck with common sense instead of their limited knowledge of the forces governing this universe.

Bohr was actually conceding that his own work modeling the atom was wrong, by doing this - but the evidence was undeniable and overwhelming. the universe is constructed in such a way that at its most fundamental levels only God, with complete omniscience and control, can predict it.

reading some of Heisenberg's work is quite interesting, too. it turns out further that without consciousness observing the entire universe simultaneously, it cannot exist. that's right - quantum mechanics shows that there has to be an intelligent, omniscient Creator Who knows what is unknowable and sees what is impossible to observe.