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what is the belief that grant eternal life

  • belief in Jesus mean acknowledging Him as Savior without any other actions needed

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What do you all think it means to believe? Scripture says that anyone who believes will have eternal life. Do you all think that receiving the Spirit is given at the moment you believe? Or do you believe that once we believe in our hearts, we are saved, and this belief draws us to seek Jesus in prayer? Then, after repentance and with genuine desire, we will receive the Spirit, which shows us the sin God wants us to avoid.
 
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What do you all think it means to believe? Scripture says that anyone who believes will have eternal life. Do you all think that receiving the Spirit is given at the moment you believe? Or do you believe that once we believe in our hearts, we are saved, and this belief draws us to seek Jesus in prayer? Then, after repentance and with genuine desire, we will receive the Spirit, which shows us the sin God wants us to avoid.
It is God's choice, the Father of the risen Son Jesus for you and all the world.
Believe to God, Son is risen for you to get taught new in love and mercy given you, read the scripture as a whole. Watch out for nitpicking and not being in context. Conjecturing things, having only "Cliff notes" to things that have happened. Be careful to how you build?
The Entire Bible to me is a gigantic love story from God the Father of the risen Son Jesus to us all to see our need for God to lead willingly by our choice, not us in our own thought or others to do that either,
Personal between God Father, Son and you
All throughout the First (Old) Testament we see nothing but failure after failure, successes, yes, yet failure year after year in sacrifices to get God pleased by what we do or not do, and no one could ever do that. but Son who did it, Hebrews 10 reveals this truth to me at least, thank you
therefore today, I see I at least am to go by the risen Life of Jesus Christ in the same mercy and truth given me by his love for me and all others too.
When I get angry, upset, I return to Romans 2:1-4 to stand aside in thanksgiving and praise to God for us all seeing again what is done by God through Son for us all to either believe it or not consciously so. I get rest in that alone
Also I re-read Romans 14:1-4 It is God alone that straightens anyone out, God is the one and only one that can assuredly do it, not me, you or anyone else
I am no one special, neither is anyone else. We all put our pants on one leg at a time do we not?
 

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Many people in this country believe in the Lord and Jesus much as an Islamic person believes in allah. Without a connection to the Lord God Almighty and without repentance. Before faith is authored by the Lord Jesus one must be called by the Spirit and convicted of sins. If that person responds by believing the word of the Lord and has a godly sorrow to the Spirit's conviction and then turns to the Lord in repentance; then Jesus authors a mustard seed of faith which is specifically a supernatural belief in Jesus himself as their savior. This is the state of a babe-in-Christ who needs the milk of the word of righteousness in order to grow to spiritual maturity and increase their faith, here a little, and there a little.
So for such a person: faith is that form of believing that is authored by Jesus and based solely upon Spirit illuminated scripture and will always produces works appropiate to repentance in those who actually have it.
 
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Many people in this country believe in the Lord and Jesus much as an Islamic person believes in allah. Without a connection to the Lord God Almighty and without repentance. Before faith is authored by the Lord Jesus one must be called by the Spirit and convicted of sins. If that person responds by believing the word of the Lord and has a godly sorrow to the Spirit's conviction and then turns to the Lord in repentance; then Jesus authors a mustard seed of faith which is specifically a supernatural belief in Jesus himself as their savior. This is the state of a babe-in-Christ who needs the milk of the word of righteousness in order to grow to spiritual maturity and increase their faith, here a little, and there a little.
So for such a person: faith is that form of believing that is authored by Jesus and based solely upon Spirit illuminated scripture and will always produces works appropiate to repentance in those who actually have it.

Hebrews 5:12-6:3

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Hebrews 5:12-6:3
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk isunskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, eventhose who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.

Repentance is a change of mind set from unbelief to God to belief to God

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Philippians 3:4
Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

therefore see new in God's Spirit and Truth for you to be new and walk new, not of this world anymore, thank you
 
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What do you all think it means to believe? Scripture says that anyone who believes will have eternal life.
Scripture says there are 3 types of Belief --(Faith )----

intellectual ----Demonic and Spiritual or Dynamic -----

We are born with -- -intellectual belief ----which relies on our 5 Senses ----see --feel --hear --taste and touch ---this belief does not produce anything cause you know it to be fact through your 5 Senses -----this is called a dead Faith or belief ----

Demonic belief---- is also NON producing as the demons believe in who Jesus is but their belief will not give them eternal life ----so it is a dead belief --

Spiritual or Dynamic belief ---- comes by way of hearing God's word and is A producing belief ------this belief occurs when a person has repented and has a heart change and who Loves the Lord with all their Heart --soul --mind and strength ---which is the first Command -----

This belief is a deep rooted belief that trusts in what Jesus accomplished on the Cross and believes that what God says in His word will come to pass ----when God says we will have eternal life if we believe in His Son ----then we have to trust in that ----
 
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What do you all think it means to believe? Scripture says that anyone who believes will have eternal life. Do you all think that receiving the Spirit is given at the moment you believe? Or do you believe that once we believe in our hearts, we are saved, and this belief draws us to seek Jesus in prayer? Then, after repentance and with genuine desire, we will receive the Spirit, which shows us the sin God wants us to avoid.
PS22,

When considering saving faith, an obvious question to ask is, “What is God's requirement for salvation (GRFS) for those who have never heard of Jesus?” (which includes everyone living B.C. and millions of people who have lived A.D.) If God loves the world (JN 3:16) and wants everyone to be saved (2TM 2:4), then He must provide an opportunity.

God’s just judgment is illustrated by Jesus in the Parable of the Talents (MT 25:14-29), which indicates that God will judge souls on the basis of the truth (Word = Christ per JN 1:1f.) they have received.

Three ways God/Christ is encountered include:

1. general revelation, which includes meditating on the natural world or God’s supernatural work. Paul says men are without excuse, both because God’s eternal power and divine nature (love) are manifested by creation (RM 1:20), and because a proto-gospel has been proclaimed to everyone under heaven implicitly or in pre-NT foreshadowings (CL 1:23, RM 10:13-18, GL 3:8).

2. the inner conscience, a natural or “common” sense (RM 2:14-16), which manifests morality or a moral Authority in every culture; and

3. special revelation (1PT 1:8-12), which refers to the biblical and especially NT teaching regarding God’s history of salvation. Again, Jesus taught that souls are saved via faith in God/ Christ as revealed (cf. 1CR 10:1-5).

Truthseekers around the world in all times are pilgrims at various places along the road of life, and all true roads eventually lead to the Way to eternal life in heaven (JN 14:6, ACTS 24:14, PHP 2:10-11). All truth leads to One Way.
 
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op: what is it to believe Is it simply acknowledging Jesus enough, or does belief require us to take certain actions or steps?

Precious friend, Yes, faith, trust, or 'belief with all your heart' On The Lord Jesus Christ, and In His
"
Finished Work On The Cross" In His Burial, and His Resurrection From The Dead, According To The
Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:3-4 AV), is, In Biblical Fact, 'Enough' For ETERNAL Salvation, From God
= Biblical Confirmation:


God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)
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God's Eternal Life Assurance

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God's Eternal Life Insurance
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Then, After All The Above Is [ in the "twinkling of an eye" ] Accomplished By God Establishing
His ETERNAL 'Relationship' With His children, Then, and Only Then, do we move along to
"Growth In Grace" By:


"The steps or actions" in order to Have 'Fellowship' With our Blessed Saviour, actually "making
Him our LORD," as "co-laborers With God," "building on the Grace Foundation That Paul laid,"
Finally receiving "rewards for our good works [ steps/actions ]
" At The Judgment Seat Of Christ
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV) [ see all of God's Grace Commandments in Romans to Philemon ]

Please Be Immensely And Very Richly Encouraged And Edified In The Lord Jesus Christ, And
In His Word Of Truth,
Rightly Divided. [ "Approved Unto God!" ]

Looking forward to meeting you, Precious friend @psalms22, in God's Great GloryLand! ♫ 😇 ↑

Amen.

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Scripture says there are 3 types of Belief --(Faith )----

intellectual ----Demonic and Spiritual or Dynamic -----

We are born with -- -intellectual belief ----which relies on our 5 Senses ----see --feel --hear --taste and touch ---this belief does not produce anything cause you know it to be fact through your 5 Senses -----this is called a dead Faith or belief ----

Demonic belief---- is also NON producing as the demons believe in who Jesus is but their belief will not give them eternal life ----so it is a dead belief --

Spiritual or Dynamic belief ---- comes by way of hearing God's word and is A producing belief ------this belief occurs when a person has repented and has a heart change and who Loves the Lord with all their Heart --soul --mind and strength ---which is the first Command -----

This belief is a deep rooted belief that trusts in what Jesus accomplished on the Cross and believes that what God says in His word will come to pass ----when God says we will have eternal life if we believe in His Son ----then we have to trust in that ----
Me, I choose to believe and see to not have too, why?
Having too, puts the me to work to keep it under control, I am no body, God chose to save me and reconcile me by Son for me and all the world of people to choose to either believe God or not consciously. (2 Cor 5:16-20)
I chose God, and stand in that choice, even though to this very day I do not deserve to be saved, I remain not qualified, being in a flesh body that is not redeemed yet. Yet God is for us all the way to the bank, We are given the risen Christ credit card, to rely on it. It is done for us to be new in the living Son with Father in the Holy Spirit to lead us too, as long as one is willing between God and themselves first. Thanks, that be what I see presently, no flesh can please God but Son's that did it, done once for us all to be made new in his risen life for us to be new in and no more self works, only Father's done work of Son for me at least
 

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Re: What Is It To Believe?

In order to be effective in one's endeavor to escape the wrath of God, belief
would have to contain the elements of confidence and reliance. For example:


Matt 9:27-30 . . As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him,
calling out: Have mercy on us, Son of David! When he had gone indoors, the
blind men came to him, and he asked them: Do you believe that I am able
to do this? Yes, Lord; they replied. Then he touched their eyes and said:
According to your faith it will be done to you. And their sight was restored.


So then:

John 3:14-17 . . As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so
must the Son of Man be lifted up; that whoever believes may in him have
eternal life.


(The incident to which Jesus referred is recorded in Numbers 21:5-9)

Long story short: Moses' people became weary of eating manna all the time
at every meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning
their divine benefactor for a different diet, they became indignant and
confrontational; angrily demanding better accommodations.


In response to their insolence, and their ingratitude for His providence; God
sent a swarm of deadly poisonous snakes amongst them; which began
striking people; and every strike was 100% fatal, no exceptions.


After a number of people died, the rest came to their senses and begged
Moses to intercede. In reply; The Lord instructed Moses to fashion a replica
of the snakes and hoist it up on a pole in plain view so that everyone dying
from venom could look to it for relief.


The key issue here is that the replica was the only God-given remedy for the
people's bites-- not sacrifices and offerings, not tithing, not church
attendance, not scapulars, not confession, not holy days of obligation, not
the Sabbath, not rosaries, not weeping, not the golden rule, not charity, not
Bible study, yeshiva, catechism, and/or Sunday school, not self denial, not
vows of poverty, not the Ten Commandments, nor even one's ideology of
choice, i.e. it wouldn't have mattered whether somebody was Muslim, Hindu,
Jew, Buddhist, Catholic, Protestant, Baha'i, Atheist, Agnostic, Pagan, or
whatever-- the replica was it; nothing else would suffice to save their lives.


As an allegory, the replica speaks of Christ's crucifixion for the sins of the
world as the only God-given rescue from retribution and perdition; and when
people accept it, then according to John 3:14-17 and John 5:24, they qualify
for a transfer from death into life.


FAQ: How might one go about looking to Jesus like those folks back then
looked to that replica?


REPLY: I recommend RSVP.

Find a quiet place; anywhere will do. Cover you face with your hands for a
sense of connection, and tell God-- under your breath or out loud if you like
--in your own words that you have never yet measured up to His standards
and you're pretty sure you never will. Tell Him you would like to take advantage
of His son's death to protect yourself from judgment.
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What do you all think it means to believe? Scripture says that anyone who believes will have eternal life. Do you all think that receiving the Spirit is given at the moment you believe? Or do you believe that once we believe in our hearts, we are saved, and this belief draws us to seek Jesus in prayer? Then, after repentance and with genuine desire, we will receive the Spirit, which shows us the sin God wants us to avoid.
Romans chapter 4 is dedicated to this question using Abraham as a type. To believe means to be fully persuaded that, what God has promised, he is able also to perform.

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
 

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What do you all think it means to believe? Scripture says that anyone who believes will have eternal life. Do you all think that receiving the Spirit is given at the moment you believe? Or do you believe that once we believe in our hearts, we are saved, and this belief draws us to seek Jesus in prayer? Then, after repentance and with genuine desire, we will receive the Spirit, which shows us the sin God wants us to avoid.
He said everyone that calls on the name of the lord shall be saved/delivered. He said whoever believes in Him shall have ever lasting life. The sweet holy Spirit Luke 11:13 and also Peter said repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit". Many I can say are saved but have not received the holy spirit since they believed.

Did He not say that He that has began a good work in you will continue it perfect it until the day of Christ. That verse starts off with "being confident" there is no doubt here He will do it. What was required of me to be born from above is to believe trust in cling to Yeshua/Jesus Christ who came in the flesh died for the sin of the world was buried rose the 3rd day and is the only way to the Father.

So yes anyone that heard Him say John 3:16 and believe in Him. This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent (Christ). We seem to struggle so hard with this yet something was made new a new creation. We put on the new man which after God was created in righteousness and true holiness. That is who we are now. I do not work to stay saved for I am a citizen of heaven I am seated in heavenly places. This is the meat. Its His word that He spoke will not come back to Him void. This verse comes to mind "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." The sweet holy Spirit convicts the world of sin its not written sins. That sin is they do not believe in Jesus Christ. "And He, when He comes, will convict the world about [the guilt of] sin [and the need for a Savior], and about righteousness, and about judgment"

My salvation is not based on what some other believer (bless them) believes.
 
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Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Christ Himself says this...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
 
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Re: What Is It To Believe?

In order to be effective in one's endeavor to escape the wrath of God, belief
would have to contain the elements of confidence and reliance. For example:


Matt 9:27-30 . . As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him,
calling out: Have mercy on us, Son of David! When he had gone indoors, the
blind men came to him, and he asked them: Do you believe that I am able
to do this? Yes, Lord; they replied. Then he touched their eyes and said:
According to your faith it will be done to you. And their sight was restored.


So then:

John 3:14-17 . . As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so
must the Son of Man be lifted up; that whoever believes may in him have
eternal life.


(The incident to which Jesus referred is recorded in Numbers 21:5-9)

Long story short: Moses' people became weary of eating manna all the time
at every meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning
their divine benefactor for a different diet, they became indignant and
confrontational; angrily demanding better accommodations.


In response to their insolence, and their ingratitude for His providence; God
sent a swarm of deadly poisonous snakes amongst them; which began
striking people; and every strike was 100% fatal, no exceptions.


After a number of people died, the rest came to their senses and begged
Moses to intercede. In reply; The Lord instructed Moses to fashion a replica
of the snakes and hoist it up on a pole in plain view so that everyone dying
from venom could look to it for relief.


The key issue here is that the replica was the only God-given remedy for the
people's bites-- not sacrifices and offerings, not tithing, not church
attendance, not scapulars, not confession, not holy days of obligation, not
the Sabbath, not rosaries, not weeping, not the golden rule, not charity, not
Bible study, yeshiva, catechism, and/or Sunday school, not self denial, not
vows of poverty, not the Ten Commandments, nor even one's ideology of
choice, i.e. it wouldn't have mattered whether somebody was Muslim, Hindu,
Jew, Buddhist, Catholic, Protestant, Baha'i, Atheist, Agnostic, Pagan, or
whatever-- the replica was it; nothing else would suffice to save their lives.


As an allegory, the replica speaks of Christ's crucifixion for the sins of the
world as the only God-given rescue from retribution and perdition; and when
people accept it, then according to John 3:14-17 and John 5:24, they qualify
for a transfer from death into life.


FAQ: How might one go about looking to Jesus like those folks back then
looked to that replica?


REPLY: I recommend RSVP.

Find a quiet place; anywhere will do. Cover you face with your hands for a
sense of connection, and tell God-- under your breath or out loud if you like
--in your own words that you have never yet measured up to His standards
and you're pretty sure you never will. Tell Him you would like to take advantage
of His son's death to protect yourself from judgment.
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informative And truthful, thank you
Believe, receive and see, therefore stand in belief no matter what troubles happen and see
people say show me and they will believe God. God says Believe me and I will show you. understand it is a long journey here on earth first. I send suffering and shame to guide you through it all to be wise as a serpent afterwords and remain harmless as a dove in choosing to,
I saw a woman who saw God Father and Son skipping across the mountains, and wanted to go there immediately. I so agreed being of flesh and blood then too.
Yet, God sent guides, "Suffering and shame" to guide her, me through. To become aware of truth all in all to see to have "No" more doubt in God forever over now knowing truth over error for sure
Not facing evil, keeps people from getting established with God in truth to them, at least it did that to me, not facing reality there is more to here than just physical
 

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Mark 10:17-18 . . As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and
fell on his knees before him. Good teacher-- he asked --what must I do to
inherit eternal life?

Matt 19:17 . . If you want to enter life, obey the Commandments.

The man scored high in his compliance with the Commandments.

Matt 19:20 . . All these I have kept --the young man said.

However, he still lacked enough credits to get his foot in the door.

Matt 19:21-24 . . Jesus answered: If you want to be perfect, go, sell your
possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
Then come, follow me. When the young man heard this, he went away sad,
because he had great wealth.

. .Then Jesus said to his disciples: I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich
man to enter the kingdom of Heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel
to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom
of God.

Though it be difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom, it isn't entirely
impossible.

Matt 19:25-26 . .When the disciples heard this, they were greatly
astonished and asked: Who then can be saved? Jesus looked at them and
said: With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

It's my guess the possibility Jesus had in mind was Isa 53:6 & Ezek 36:24-28

The one would gain the rich man forgiveness, and the other would improve
the very core of his being.
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all 3 are true. the 2nd & 3rd choices need clarification. the scenario on the 3rd is, an atheist could be saved in the last 5 seconds of his or her life & then die without having done any action. (Romans 10:9 & 13). true believers will always commit to action by performing the assigned work God has given them. (Phillipians 2:13 & 1st Corinthians 15:58).