Understanding God’s election

How does one know that we elect or sealed includes you?

You can be assured when the sealing takes place. It's unmistakable, as when it occurred on Pentecost and subsequently throughout the book of Acts and history.

Assured/confident, yes! (Per 2CR 5:6-8, PHP 1:6&14, CL 4:12)

But that is not knowing infallibly; we walk by faith, not by sight/proof/absolute certainty--from first to last (2CR 5:7, RM 1:16-17).

Man's depravity vs God's Grace

What difference can prayer make if God has already determined all things that will come to pass?

You obviously haven't experienced the baptism of the Spirit. If you had, you would know that you belong to God.

Grace ... as Paul tells it applied to himself .... is POWER to be something we can not be in our weak fallen state.

Saved by grace?

God's grace power must take our flesh and SILENCE it's effects over dominating our soul, so that our soul can decide for the Gospel!
Without grace? The flesh would dominate over the soul and make impossible for our soul to believe if it wanted to.
That is why we need to be saved by Grace!

No regeneration first! God's grace power provides the Gospel hearer a temporary God-imposed state of freedom to choose from their soul! Its all about volition in that case!


'Power' is not unmerited favor!


Grace is God's enabling power granted by God, to enable believers to become what merits His favor!

Calvinists took a brave shot in the dark, and landed in a ditch.
The light that shines with what Paul stated should allow themselves to crawl out, and dust themselves off....
To begin once more walking by faith in truth in the grace power from God to recover.


Grace and peace ...........

Other than all the above man is in great spiritual shape.

How does one know that we elect or sealed includes you?

Well, there is also this, and who knows what else? But, ugh, folks just don't wanna see it!



The natural man and fools are characterized as, or known for:

1. being wicked (2 Samuel 13:13; Psalm 94:3,8)

2. mockers of God (Psalm 74:22)

3. not understanding their bleak eternal destiny (Psalm 92:6)

4. being rebellious (Psalm 107:17)

5. despising spiritual wisdom (Proverbs 1:7)

6. hating spiritual knowledge (Proverbs 1:22)

7. mockers delighting in mockiery (Proverbs 1:22)

8. being wayward and complacent (Proverbs 1:32)

9. being wicked and held up to shame by God (Proverbs 3:33,35)

10. dying for their lack of knowledge (Proverbs 10:21)

11. having hearts that blurt out folly (Proverbs 12:23)

12. detesting the thought to turn away from evil (Proverbs 13:19)

13. bringing harm to their companions (Proverbs 13:20)

14. folly in their heart that is deception (Proverbs 14:8)

15. mockers at making amends for their sins (Proverbs 14:9)

16. known for their folly that only yields folly (Proverbs 14:24)

17. not spreading true [spiritual] knowledge (Proverbs15:7)

18. their folly that brings them punishment (Proverbs 16:22)

20. being ignorant of their wrong-doings (Ecclesiastes 5:1)

21. being unpleasing to God (Ecclesiastes 5:4)

22. having hearts that are in the house of pleasure (Ecclesiastes7:4)

23. their laughter as being meaningless (Ecclesiastes 7:6)

24. their anger residing in their laps (Ecclesiastes 7:9)

25. thinking of themselves as wise counsellors but only giving senseless advice (Isaiah 19:11)

26. not being willing to walk in the Way of Holiness (Isaiah 35:8)

27. not knowing God (Jeremiah 4:22)

28. being false prophets (Jeremiah 50:36)

29. being equated with the wicked (1 Samuel 25:25)

30. at times for recognizing themselves as being great sinners (1 Samuel 26:21)

31. resentment or envy slaying them (Job 5:2)

31. denying the existence of God (Psalm 14:1; 53:1)

32. their chattering that brings them to ruin (Proverbs 10:10,14)

33. the spreaders of slander (Proverbs 10:18)

34. finding pleasure in evil conduct (Proverbs 10:23)

35. choosing a way that seems right to them and ignoring good advice (Proverbs 12:15)

36. angering quickly (Proverbs 12:16; 20:3; 29:11)

37. exposing their own folly (Proverbs 13:16)

38. being hotheaded and reckless (Proverbs 14:16)

39. having mouths that gush folly (Proverbs 15:2)

40. having mouths that feed on folly (Proverbs 15:14)

41. spurning their father's discipline (Proverbs 15:5)

42. having no desire to get wisdom (Proverbs 17:16)

43. finding no pleasure in understanding (Proverbs 18:2)

44. delighting in airing their own opinions (Proverbs 18:2)

45. having perverse lips (Proverbs 19:1)

46. scorning the wisdom of wise words if the wise speak to them (Proverbs23:9)

47. their proverbs being as useless as a lame man's legs hanging limp (Proverbs 26:7).

48. a dog that returns to its vomit when it repeats its folly (Proverbs 26:11)

49. their provocation which is heavier than stone and sand (Proverbs 27:3)

50. their great reluctance in removing their folly from themselves (Proverbs 27:22)

51. trusting in themselves (Proverbs 28:26)

52. raging and scoffing at the wise man with whom he goes to court (Proverbs 29:9)

53. playing the fool, exalting themselves or planning evil (Proverbs 30:32)

54. walking in the darkness (Ecclesiastes 2:14)

55. folding their hands and bringing ruin to themselves (Ecclesiastes 4:5)

56. their speech pours out many words (Ecclesiastes 5:3)

57. lacking sense and showing everyone how stupid they are (Ecclesiastes 10:13)

58. being consumed by their own lips (Ecclesiastes 10:12)

59. multiplying their own words (Ecclesiastes 10:14)

60. speaking folly (Isaiah 32:6)

61. their minds being busy with evil (Isaiah 32:6)

62. practicing ungodliness and spreading error concerning the Lord (Isaiah 32:6)

63. leaving the hungry empty and withholding water from the thirsty (Isaiah 32:6)

64. gaining riches by unjust gains (Jer 17:11)

Because the life a born again child of God has been transformed. We know we are DIFFERENT. There's been a change made IN us. WE KNOW we have been rescued from the kingdom of darkness and brought into God's marvelous kingdom of light. And we can also know experientially because God's Spirit bears witness with ours

Hah...but someone will complain that you're quoting all those passages out of context. Man is really a pretty good egg.

Isaiah 5:20-21; Proverbs 26:12b

No, I have, but you obviously view Paul as a liar, since you ignore what he teaches, such as in the Scripture I cited.

BTW y'all, how does one know that "we" elect includes "you"?

But God has also ordained all the means to accomplish his ends, including prayer.

God needs man's prayers to accomplish his ends?

Because the life a born again child of God has been transformed. We know we are DIFFERENT. There's been a change made IN us. WE KNOW we have been rescued from the kingdom of darkness and brought into God's marvelous kingdom of light. And we can also know experientially because God's Spirit bears witness with ours

By introspection. You can feel the love for God and people. Your are driven to learn from the Bible and to spread its messages. You can sense God directing your thoughts and actions. Your main goal in life is to do the Father's will. And finally, the understanding of the relationships of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.