Adam was not only free to sin but he was definitely going to, because Jesus was not plan B. Not that you said he was (LOL) but you know, he was of the natural world and as much in need of being born again as we are. Except for him it would not be again, would it? But you get the point, right? The Tree of Life was right there but Adam chose death by putting himself on the throne, just as God knew he would. Some say it was out of his love for Eve and in this way Adam is a type of Christ because he gave his life for her... and that may all sound fine and dandy and even a little romantic but we are not told that in Scripture, so I would not hang my hat on it, and we can't say for sure why he listened to his wife and not God, but I contend it was because he was of the natural world, and Scripture does actually have an awful lot to say about the condition of the natural man... and yes, that is post fall. Some even say Adam and Eve already ate from the Tree of Life but Scripture does not make that plain and actually more plainly rather speaks against it. I was looking at a verse earlier today, this one:
1 John 3:8
And wondering what implications it held if any for Adam. I am aware that some go way out on
that line of thinking to the serpent seed doctrines, but I am not going there. And I do wonder
how much the fear of death played into their decision, for that is spoken of in Scripture also, but
then, again, there was the Tree of Life! Man is not the smartest beast, tho he may like to think he is...
sister did God plan this ? This is Gods plan ?
“And
GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
( this is what he planned out ? )
And
it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
( Gods plan was to repent because he created us and made us wicked and grieve his own heart ?)
And
the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; ( didn’t he just create them and give them doninion on earth and call everything very good ?)
both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air;
for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
Genesis 6:5-7 KJV
I’m not sure that I believe Gods plan was for man to become wicked and grieve his heart so much that he decided to destroy mankind and the earth whicch he himself said man was responsible for corrupting things in earth
“The
earth also was corrupt before God, and the
earth was filled with violence. ( God didn’t fill it with violence man did )
And God looked upon the earth, and,
behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
(he’s blaming the creation for the corruption )
And God said unto Noah,
The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:11-13 KJV
I’m not sure what you are hearing me say but would you say that this was Gods plan all along ? For man to become corrupt and eat the fruit of
good and evil and corrupt creation to the point they envoke Gods wrath ?
I don’t look at genesis 6 as Gods plan going as intended sister to me his grieved heart and his repentance for ver creating mankind shows it
He didn’t ordain Adam and Eve to sin and die he told them how to live and not die they chose death like people still do today.
God gave them the world and it was good and then they defiled and corrupted it
much of what your saying I agree with I’m not really sure what you think I’ve said but what I’m saying is man’s behavior constently affects Gods dealings with man it’s evident from genesis forward
It’s an interaction it’s been so from the start from this point everyone should see man’s thoughts involvement in creations course
Adam and Eve were made
good and later corrupted not by God
“And God said,
Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and
over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And
God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
Genesis 1:26-28, 31 KJV
And just ten generations later look what man did to earth
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-6, 12-13 KJV
i hope this clarifies what I’m saying God created a good creation satan corrupted its rulers and they then corrupted everything that he gave then that was good
thisbisnt just God amusing himself he destroyed earth then because he hadn’t intended to create a world filled with violence and sin and everything wicked he created good for man man made it wicked
a at some point man needs to see our place in creations design what we do affects our whole entire being God doesn’t take our dominion away he’s trying to restore it so we can rule over sin rether than being ruled by it restoring us to what we’re meant to be
reconciling us to the purpose of man
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