The Real Antichrist For The End

For those in a hurry for the answer, the coming Antichrist will be the devil himself, appearing in OUR earthly dimension with the image of 'man'.

That means Satan is coming in full view, upon this earth, with that image of man. He won't have to hide behind some human working for him. He will appear in person. If you don't believe that possible, then it shows you don't believe the two angels of Genesis 19 actually appeared to Lot with the image of man (also see Hebrews 13:2).


1. Bible Scripture actually reveals that Satan himself is who is coming to our earthly dimension at the end of this world. The children of darkness and those deceived of course preach against this.

Rev 12:7
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
KJV

Revelation 12:7-17 -- preachers who don't really understand about that war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and Satan fall into the deception trap created by Satan's host that wrongly teach that war in Heaven was about Satan's original rebellion long, long ago. If you haven't read that Scripture for yourself and instead are gullible enough to believe those false preachers, then you don't belong here with God's Truth in His Word being shown to you. That war in Heaven is still a future event set for the end of this world when Satan and his angels will be booted out of the heavenly dimension, and instead into our earthly dimension, upon this earth, which will likely create the start of the "great tribulation" at the end of this world.


Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

2. There's two separate beasts taught in Rev.13. The first beast of Rev.13:1 is about a kingdom beast of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. But the second beast is the "another beast" of Rev.13:11, linked to the "dragon", which is another title for Satan. Men's doctrines try to get you to believe that "another beast" is about a different person called the false prophet mentioned in Rev.16:13, when in reality it is about the "dragon", another title for Satan per Rev.12:9. In the above Rev.11:7 verse, that "beast" that ascends up out of the bottomless pit is that "another beast" of Rev.13:11, that speaks as a "dragon", because it will be the "dragon" (Satan).


Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

3. That is about the angel that is over (reigns over) the bottomless pit as king. Satan is the ruler over the bottomless pit, and he is an angel, which is a term used for those in the heavenly dimension. Those names "Abaddon" and "Apollyon" mean 'the Destroyer', another one of Satan's titles used for him in The Old Testament. And the name "Apollyon" is from the Greek root word apollumi that means 'perdition', and points to Satan already having been sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire". This last point about his title of "Apollyon" is especially a direct pointer to Satan, because only Satan and his angels so far have already been judged and sentenced to perdition into the future "lake of fire". No flesh born man has been judged to perish yet, for that won't happen until after Jesus' future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 17:10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

4. The above Rev.17:8 verse reveals that same beast of Rev.11:7 that will ascend up out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses during the coming great tribulation. It will be Satan himself, as that is who is already judged and sentenced to that "perdition" in the future "lake of fire". That verse also reveals that when the world does see him (Satan) appear on earth, those whose names are not written in the book of life will "wonder" at him when they see him. Other Scripture like 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 shows he will exalt himself as GOD, and thus many will be fooled thinking he is God.

The above Rev.17:10-11 Scripture further reveals that "beast" will be a king, the 7th one still yet to come, which will be for the end of this present world. It also reveals he will be the 8th king that goes into perdition (into the "lake of fire", another reference to Satan having already been judged and sentenced to perdition). Satan being that 8th king points to his final rebellion with being loosed out of his pit prison after Christ's future "thousand years" reign, to go and tempt the unsaved nations one last time (Rev.20).

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Rev 6:2
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
KJV

5. Lord Jesus returns riding a white horse per Rev.19. But the above rider on a white horse is not our Lord Jesus, because Jesus has a sword and will wear many crowns when He returns. This rider here is about Satan when he is kicked out of the heavenly dimension towards the end of this present world. The point of Jesus giving this warning first is for us to not be deceived, for Satan is coming to mimic Him, The Christ.

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

That war in heaven is still future, and is for the end that will start the time of "great tribulation". That idea that when Satan loses that war, that no place will be found any more in heaven for him, means Satan has to come to the only other place he can go to, this earthly dimension. It is another proof that Satan and his angels are literally... coming here upon this earth in plain sight for the end.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

Did the "kingdom of God, and the power of His Christ" come at Satan's original rebellion long, long ago? No, of course not. That's one of the ways here that we know this war in Heaven has not happened yet.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That above is actually the event of the 5th Seal about the fellow-servant saints that must be killed like those under the Altar were, per Rev.6. That is for the time at the end, not back when Satan first rebelled. So this is another proof that the above war in Heaven is still yet future.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
KJV

Is that "for the devil is come down unto you" serious? is that meant literally? Yes, it is meant literally, Satan and his angels right here upon this earth, in plain sight. Those whose names are not written in the book of life will "wonder" at him. Satan knows he has but a "short time", put for the time of "great tribulation" at the end of this world.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold,
He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

In the above Lord Jesus is warning us about a singular coming false-Messiah with the power to do "great signs and wonders" that IF it were possible, would deceive even His very elect.

The KJV phrase "false Christs" is Greek pseudochristos, which is from two Greek words, pseudo which means false, and christos which is singular in the Greek for Christ. The 23 and 26 verse context is also about the coming of a SINGULAR pseudo-Christ. This is the main warning Scripture, delivered to us by Lord Jesus, about the coming "beast" king of Revelation for the end of this world. This false-Messiah is coming to actually mimic Lord Jesus Christ!

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

The above is Apostle Paul giving us the same warning that Lord Jesus did about the coming pseudo-Christ. Paul shows that false one must come first before Jesus comes to gather us.

Did you notice Paul calls that false one the "son of perdition"? Do you remember in Revelation about the false one related to that idea of "perdition" in the future "lake of fire"? It's about Satan, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

Note what Satan will do when he comes; he will sit in that "temple of God" while exalting himself in place of GOD. The children of darkness and deceived preachers try to get you to believe that "temple of God" means a pope as Antichrist sitting over the Spiritual Temple of Christ. No, Paul is speaking of the traditional Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem, as the "abomination of desolation" prophecy that Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel about the end requires a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem to fulfill it for the end.

If you have not yet studied Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 where God shows about Satan's original rebellion of old in coveting God's Throne, then you will miss another reason why that coming pseudo-Christ will be Satan himself coming to earth to finalize that beast kingdom of Rev.13:1. God is going to allow Satan to try and exalt himself as GOD upon a throne in Jerusalem on earth, in a 3rd Jewish temple. It will be the same kind of sin that Satan tried to do in that time of old when he first coveted God's Throne. God destroyed that time of old of Satan's original rebellion, and God then ordained His Son Jesus Christ to be born of woman to die on the cross for the remission of sins of those who believe on Him.

I agree [bold ^]! (hurray, we AGREE on something! )



But "the man of sin" and his "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" (2Th2:9a) starts 3.5 years PRIOR TO that point ^ .


Rev12 (when Satan and his angels will be "cast out unto the earth" [i.e. limited to that sphere]) is at the MID-trib point, commencing the "GREAT tribulation [i.e. SECOND HALF]" (and is also when 2Th2:4b "sitteth in the temple of God" takes place, regarding him/the man of sin);

whereas EARLIER (3.5 yrs earlier--at the START of the FIRST HALF) is when his "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" happens (2Th2:9a, and other related passages).


ALL related passages covering THIS Subject AGREE.









[The 7 yr Trib concludes "the end [singular] of the AGE [singular]" (Mt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 / Mt24:3 [and His response]), at which time "the age [SINGULAR] TO COME" (Mt12:32 / 8:11; i.e. the earthly MK age) will commence--IOW, it's not "the end OF THE WORLD" but "the end of the AGE"... but "the age [SINGULAR] TO COME" follows THAT (and is the MK age)]

I'm wondering... How are you saying that Satan (and his angels) will be booted out of heaven unto the earth (which is at the commencement of the "GREAT tribulation [/SECOND HALF]"), while ALSO being the beast "that ascends from the bottomless pit" AT THE SAME TIME? (see Rev9:1 and context--"5th Trumpet / 1st WOE unto the earth").

This idea of yours puzzles me. I can't fathom how you're thinking "SATAN" will come from BOTH "heaven" and "the bottomless pit" at the same time. Makes zero sense. lol










[Rev9:1 "... fifth angel sounded... I saw a star FALL from heaven unto the earth..." (see rest of CONTEXT)]

Interesting exposing thinking, thank you, evil is real as the air breathed here on earth still.
Put no trust in no one, not even self, trust God Father pf risen Son Jesus only
seek to be wise as a serpent and remain harmless as a dove. The remain harmless once aware of is not easy to remain harmless when see the evil all around you trying to work it through you in selfishness for earth gain, as many have done and are doing.
Thanking God in risen Son after his one time death only took away sin first to focus new life given us in Father's Spirit and Truth for us to choose freely todo right over wrong and not harm others at all. Therefore now turn to God Father in belief and see new as born again for you too, thank you Father and Son as Won (One)

Excellent job! By their fruits you will know them. You one of Arnold's students?

Oh boy.



"Arnold Murray was the leader of Shepherd's Chapel, a church that denies the Trinity, hell, rapture, and other biblical doctrines."


Not someone I want to be a "student" of...

We've been waiting 2000 years for this...

God’s student in risen Son given, that I stand in belief to this truth, learned< learning still from many mistakes first

is Not satan but his seed called 'sin'

Ikr?
There's a verse that says something like, "if he would have known... he would not have crucified..." so this informs us that the Destroyer, Apollyon, is probably still trying thwart the prophecy of the triumphant Messiah, by destroying, that is totally annihilating, as in "from the land to the sea", God's angel's, Michael's, people* from which Messiah was prophesied to be of. And, of course, those of him, Apollyon's people, believe Jesus was some sort of covered up hoax. That is, until that day when Michael stands up, having already obtained the keys to the bottomless pit, and binds him from deceiving the nations any longer.
That's basically my synopsis on the topic.

*Perhaps this is the reason they, Michael's people, are blinded in part as to avoid tipping off Apollyon of the reality Messiah Is Come.

A pretty good study, as TheDivineWatermark has already pointed out, it does become confusing, if you have Satan and 1/3 of the angels being cast out of heaven during the tribulation, and Satan and the demons coming up out of the bottomless pit during the tribulation. I for one agree with you that they are released from the pit during the day of Judgment but disagree with you that they were also cast out of heaven at this time.

Everyone else will probably discard the fact they they come up out of the pit and say they will be cast out of heaven in the future which is understandable. For it seems even you have trouble with the idea that the 1/3 of angels are no longer in heaven, so I am already guessing you may go this way if pushed, as its the popular comfortable position.

Some (not all) problems I have with the angels being cast out of heaven in the future logically speaking is,

All the angels in heaven right now are worshipping Jesus Christ as Lord.

When you die you are going to go to heaven and will rub shoulders with the angelic host, are you going to grab every third angel by the throat and say "are you about to follow Satan you two faced treacherous punk" "are you?" "huh" "huh"

The angels have already fallen from heaven, The Lord said I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven, the gospel accounts prove that the angels have already been cast out of heaven, and people were interacting with them.

All the angels are now cast out of the earth into the bottomless pit, when I walk around I have never met a demon possessed person nor will I ever, (I dont believe ill be here in the tribulation)for I have read in the bible they are currently not walking around harassing people and are in fact now bound in chains until the Judgment, and then they will be released out of the pit as a Judgment for a short time.

The angels had to have been cast out at the time of Christ, its the only plausible explanation that tells us where the demonic spirits came from.

Also note because you see Rev 12 as chronological, and have the angels being cast out and becoming demons as still future and not a past event you also have made vs 10 future as well, Revelation is not chronological.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ:


It has already happened, we have Salvation, strength, and power, we have been translated from this world into the kingdom of God, and have been redeemed by the blood.

Luke 10:19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.


Col 1:9 For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives, 10 so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, 11 being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, 12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Eph 3:16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being,

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to everyone.

So I see that salvation has already appeared in the form/beauty of His Son, the living Word.

Anyway I'm not going to debate the point to much as I think I'm the lone ranger with how I understand scripture, so just hoping you can consider the possibility and look into it is all, from my point of view you dont have a third of the angels falling before creation, and you can see that the king of the demons in the pit is Abaddon/Satan so your halfway there

1 Corinthians 2:8
which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucifiedthe Lord of glory.

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:12-14, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

why is the church at war with Satan in the earth so early on if he isn’t here warring against them at this early point if it doesn’t happen until the future ?

No, I cannot be pushed into a comfortable doctrine of men. I stick to God's Word as written.

You appear to have failed to properly understand the two dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, the heavenly dimension, and then the earthly dimension we live in.

1. The earthly dimension includes the whole created material universe.

2. But the heavenly dimension is made up of Spirit, and is a separate dimension by itself. Yet the angels, as spirit beings, are able to appear here on earth in our earthly dimension, even without the need of flesh (Hebrews 13:2; Genesis 19).

When Satan and his angels first rebelled in that old world, they were not literally kicked out of the heavenly dimension. They have no flesh body, and are still existing in the heavenly dimension. It's just that Satan's fall involved his being sent to a place of separation in the heavenly dimension (i.e., hell, or bottomless pit, abyss, heavenly pit prison, etc.). The old tradition that Satan's bottomless pit is somewhere in the heart of the earth in our earthly dimension, is just myth by those who do not understand the heavenly dimension and spirit beings that live in it.

It is because at present time, God allows... Satan to work here on earth via his spirit without his having to literally show his face, not yet at least.

Satan coming to re-establish the Jew's temple and old covenant worship, and to sit literally on a physical throne in Jerusalem for the end as their Messiah, is when he will literally appear in our earthly dimension, with the image of man (that God created him and all angels with). This latter subject of his eventual appearance in our earth dimension should be easy to grasp, since how else could Satan fool the whole world into believing he is God having come to earth if not being revealed in our earthly dimension, in plain sight of all that behold him?

Furthermore, in God's Ezekiel 28:18 parable about Satan, God had said He will destroy him by a fire coming from within him, turning him to ashes upon the earth in view of all that see him...

Ezek 28:18
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
KJV

Something else I think brethren need to be reminded of about the difference between our earthly dimension and the heavenly dimension of spirit. Mostly likely, many brethren haven't even begun to consider the following point from God's Word about it...

Ask yourselves, if our future bodily existence in the world to come is to be the resurrection body that Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15, a "spiritual body", the "image of the heavenly" Paul said we shall put on with "immortality", then how does that work here on earth in that future time? And you do remember Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth?

How then, shall we be able to do the below on earth without the need of a flesh body?

Isa 65:17-25
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in My people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Some try to claim the above verse means the world to come will still involve flesh body existence. But the above is actually an expression for the immortality state of the "spiritual body" existence that Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15:42-54 and 2 Corinthians 5.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of My people, and Mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, saith the LORD.
KJV

Even the animal kingdom in that world to come will change per the above, those no longer being carnivores.

Those are earthly material dimension order type things, so how will those in Christ in that future be able to live on earth and build houses and plant vineyards while in a "spiritual body"?

Some just deny what the Scriptures show with that, like 1 Cor.15, and simply claim we will have new flesh bodies, but that is to go against the written Bible Scripture, particularly what Apostle Paul taught...

1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

Recall the Genesis 18 & 19 chapters where "three men" appear at Abraham's tent door, and Abraham prepares food and drink for them, and two of the men leave and appear in Sodom and Gomorrah to Lot as two angels, while the other of the three men remains talking with Abraham, with Abraham begging Him to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah if there be any righteous in it.

That was our Lord Jesus Christ that remained speaking with Abraham (prior to Lord Jesus being born in the flesh). The other two men were the two angels that appeared to Lot, and that the sodomites outside Lot's door wanted to have sex with, so they also saw them with the image of man.

My point is, that God's creation of the heavenly dimension, involving the angelic body, is that it can exist upon this earth, eat our food, and we in the flesh can eat the food of the angels, called manna (Israel in the wilderness). So there's actually a correlation between the heavenly dimension 'joined'... with the earthly dimension together, in the world to come. And this is how even The Father is going to return to this earth, in Person, as written in Revelation 21.

Yea you find satans destruction in revelation here when everyone is raised up

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:10-12, 14-15‬ ‭


But that’s not what we were talking about we were talking about when Satan went to war with Gods angels on heaven and was cast out into the earth to make war against n the followers of Christ in earth.

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ( when Jesus took the throne in heaven Satan was then cast out of heaven forever but not destroyed yet but cast into the earth )

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

( in heaven Jesus and many with him who died already are celebrating victory in heaven )


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. ( but Satan hasn’t stopped fighting the war now he’s fighting against the ones God loves and died for mankind )

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 7-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Satan lost the war in heaven long ago Christ won the victory here and then took his throne in heaven

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He was then seated on the throne and Satan was cast out of heaven forever into earth in the end jesus second coming is when he’ll be cast into the flames

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41, 46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus first coming is what the ot prophets wrote of , a lot of those things are fulfilled in the first generation of the church not all of course but most

This actually happened to those he’s talking to about thirty years after

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written ( the ot scriptures were written not the new ) may be fulfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Each testament promises the messiah will come to earth , the prophecy of each testament is based upon that coming it promises

ashen Jesus returns all of the things in the nt that were told will happen , will happen the ot things happened already when he came that time ….

Thats all I can ask and hope for.

You can keep repeating yourself but the problem I have though, is that when I read the gospel accounts, the fallen angels have been kicked out of heaven, The dragon cast a third of the stars down(out of heaven) to the earth, or Michael and two thirds of the angels warred with the dragon and a third of the angels and cast them down(out of heaven) to the earth.

In the gospels the demons are no longer clothed with their heavenly habitation and appear to desire/need habitation of men, as though they no longer have access to heaven or they would just go back there.

They seem to pick weaker bodies or those with physical infirmities like they entered one who appeared to have epilepsy or they enter into dumb people, or multiple entities can enter into one person, at least 1000 in a person, and when they were cast out of that person we can see they were expecting to be cast out and needing to go somewhere, and Jesus allowed them to go into the 2000 swine, who ran down the hill into the deep(abyss) sea.

To me these fallen angels were allowed to go to earth for a reason, as part of the signs to authenticate the coming Messiah.

The serpents/fallen angels purpose in the gospels was to infect people so they would be encouraged to look to the Messiah and live. As prophesied.

Num 21:6 Then the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. 7 So the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned, because we have spoken against the Lord and against you; intercede with the Lord, that He will remove the serpents from us.” And Moses interceded for the people. 8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and put it on a flag pole; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, and looks at it, will live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent and put it on the flag pole; and it came about, that if a serpent bit someone, and he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

Remember the church age was a mystery that the demons did not yet understand, it was there but hidden in the old testament, so they knew at the end of the 70 weeks of Daniel the Messiah was going to set Israel up in its promised land and to rule the nations. And they instructed to operate into the 70th week by my reckoning.

The demons even said to the Lord "Have You come to torment us before the appointed time " shows that they were not expecting or didn't expect to be cast out into torment this early. And did not realise yet they would be back.

My take is that they were expecting to operate into the 70th week of Daniel, the time of Jacobs trouble, the day of judgment etc etc so they would have been confused as while they knew they were only here for a short time this was even shorter than expected.

For the church age is a parenthesis.

So when God set up this Church age as a spiritual millennium if you like, he turned the signs off, as it was now going to be another 2000 years before He is going to set up Israel to rule the earth, and the need for Israel to look for their Messiah and set up the kingdom is about to happen again soon.

So the angels need to be put out of the picture somewhere, and when the 70th week of Daniel resumes, they need to come back into the picture to carry on their encouragement, and for the resuming of signs and wonders, making people look for the coming of the Messiah.

And what do you know, this is exactly what the bible tells us will happen, And read these verses, and stick to God's Word, don't follow the doctrine of men.

We can see the Abyss opened at this time in the future with the resuming of Daniels weeks..

Rev 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).


The destroyer the dragon also seen coming out of the pit/abyss

Rev 13:11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people.

Without going into it to much the question must be asked how and when did Satan get cast into the pit.

John 12:31 ESV Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out. NIV Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. NASB Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Not just Satan bit all the angels were cast out of the earth.

2 Pet 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;

Remember Peter wrote this verse and this was after the fact that he had cast out lots of demons/fallen angels who sinned.

And as the adage goes we do not add to God's Word, just take it as it is. What I mean is try not to read into it what it does not say like so many do, for example it seems like this is what people read when they read this verse.

2Pet 2;4 "For God did not spare the angels who sinned except for Satan that wily old dragon was too clever but the rest are in chains of darkness to be held for judgment"

Or it does not say

2Pet 2;4 "For God did not spare the angels who sinned except for the one third cast out of heaven, who were running around possessing people in the gospel accounts but the rest are in chains of darkness to be held for judgment"


Hades or the abyss or Abe's bosom, are a spiritual place no argument from me there. But the angels were cast out of the heaven's a spiritual place, down into the earth a physical place before being cast out into another spiritual place.

I believe the anti-christ will be a man.. A normal man born into this world like any other.. But He will end up being possesed by satan like the old king of tyre in the Old testament..

Also i do not believe Abadon who is in the bottomless pit is satan.. He was one of the angels that left heaven and went to earth to have relations with human woman and was cast onto the pit as punishment along with the other angels who did this.. This is the reason why the flood happened to destroy the hybrid ofspring of those angel / woman relationships..