Asking the Father for his Spirit.

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studentoftheword said:
Jesus was Glorified ----Jesus was glorified with what He accomplished on the Cross -----His crucifixion --death ---and resurrection and being able to be caught up on a cloud made Him Glorified ---He had a Glorified Body that was able to go through a closed door ------He did not have to wait to go to His Father to be Glorified -----
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That body was still flesh and bone, so no, not the glorified body. His glorified spiritual body was not received until after His ascension.

Luke 24:39
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Christ now has a glorified spiritual body and we shall receive one like His. His glorification was not complete until He sat down at the right hand of the Father.

Yes the disciples received the Holy Spirit because Christ breathed on them, not in them. They received the Spirit on them just as the prophets of old received the Spirit on them.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Aren't Christians commanded to be filled with the Spirit? Are they continually saved? When they aren't filled with the Spirit are they no longer saved? And without the Spirit, do they no longer belong to Christ?
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Believers are to be filled (indwelt) with the Spirit. (Acts 2:36-39, 8:14-17, 9:17-18, 10:44-45, 19:1-6) The experience is required for believers to become born again Christians. (Romans 8:9)
 
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No it is NOT ----the Same ---your ignorance is showing here as well ---research it and rely on your indwelling of the Holy Spirit to give you the correct understanding ----

John 20 ---here the Disciples receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ----from Who -----Jesus ---who has not ascended yet to His Father ---- he hasn't been Raptured up to heaven here ----

Jesus Appears to His Disciples
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”

22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Here at Pentecost ----They receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit to do God's work ----tongues of Fire --came upon them ----


Acts 2:1-13

New International Version

The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost

2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.

2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.

3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.

4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

2 separate events ------one indwelled with the Holy Spirit and one Filled with the Holy Spirit ----

In All YOUR Getting ----GET Understanding -----
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Jesus speaking:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. . . .(John 16:7) Jesus restated the promise after His resurrection. He commanded His disciples, “Receive ye the Holy Ghost” (John 20:22). They did not receive the Spirit at that time, as seen in Luke's account. “And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high” (Luke 24:49); “And being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. . . . But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” (Acts 1:4-5, 8)

Scripture reveals it was after His departure that Jesus shed forth/sent the Holy Ghost. "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33
 
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What about all the times they were?

Day of Pentecost and the 3,000 thousand that were added that day. Peter said they would receive the Spirit, no need to ask. Acts 2:1-4 and v.41

Then we have those who were added daily to the Church as the Apostles ministered. Acts 2:47

Then we have the five thousand who were added after the lame man was healed. Acts 4:4

And of course Cornelius. Acts 10:44

What are we to think? That all these believers never received the Spirit? Not a one was ever told to ask for the Spirit nor did they all have hands laid on them. Do you not think if asking was crucial to salvation or the need for the laying on of hands, the scriptures would state this categorically. Afterall, there is no doubt the scriptures teach salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

Instead, you build your doctrine on two events only, one of which concerned disciples of John the Baptist and the other may well have been the Lord waiting in order to expose a believer whose heart was not right because he believed for the wrong reasons. A good lesson for us all.

Being filled with the Spirit means having real power, not everyone can handle that straight away. So if we don't see everyone who is saved displaying great power the moment they believe, should we be surprised?

Without the filling of the Spirit we cannot walk the Christian walk. Whether we are old or young in the Lord (spiritually speaking) we all need to to be filled with His Spirit or we cannot live the life Christ died to give us. Paul commanded that we be filled with the Spirit (Eph.5:18) that can only happen as we follow His truth. The moment we break fellowship and sin, we need to apply 1John 1:9 to recover fellowship and be filled with the Spirit again.

The Lord Jesus promised the Spirit would come. He always keeps His promises.
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Detailed scriptures reveal all essential elements associated with the NT rebirth. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16) Whereas, some scriptures only touch on specific ones such as the necessity to believe; i.e. Acts 4:4 speaks of individuals believing Peter and John's message.

Scripture reveals all must receive the Spirit in order to be born again. (John 3:5; Acts 2:36-39, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7; Romans 8:9)

Scripture establishes that believers can receive the Spirit in a variety of ways; spontaneously, (Acts 2:4, 10:44-45) through the laying on of hands by one who is already indwelt by the Holy Spirit, (Acts 8:17, 19:6) and in answer to prayer. (Luke 11:13)

Scripture establishes there is discernable evidence when the experience occurs. (Acts 2:4, 8:17-18, 10:44-45, 19:6)

Your mention of Acts 2:41 and 47 lack context. See Acts 2:36-40.

To refuse to accept scripture as a whole is what blinds people to the truth. Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?, is a question all must seriously consider. May God Bless.
 
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sawdust said:
That body was still flesh and bone, so no, not the glorified body. His glorified spiritual body was not received until after His ascension.
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Then how did he walk through a closed door -----your ignorance is showing here ----you don't want the Truth ---you just want to be right and your NOT -----Period----

Jesus was in His Glorified Body ----just as we will be in Heaven ------
 
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Wansvic said:
Believers are to be filled (indwelt) with the Spirit. (Acts 2:36-39, 8:14-17, 9:17-18, 10:44-45, 19:1-6) The experience is required for believers to become born again Christians. (Romans 8:9)
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We are to be continually being filled. This is different from being indwelt. Every believer is indwelt or they do not belong to Christ. Every believer is not always being filled or no command would be necessary.
This should be enough to show you that the falling of the Spirit was the promise of the Father Jesus tells the disciples of and promised in Joel 2. It is an outward experience noticeable to all present and a sign and seal to the believer that the inward reality has truly occurred. It is an authentication and often an empowerment of God for His own. You mistake this for the indwelling of the Spirit which is not experiential, but is what leads to hearing, regeneration, and conversion.
 
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The verse below is deliberately misquoted in order to emphasize a point.
Watch for the revision.

"It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spirit body. If there is a natural
body, there is also a spirit body." (1Cor 15:44)

There are of course spirit bodies, e.g. angels and demons. However, the
actual word in the verse above is supposed to be spiritual rather than spirit,
and in some places describes spiritual things that bear absolutely no
resemblance whatsoever to the bodily characteristics of a ghost. For
example:

Spiritual gifts (Rom 1:11)
Spiritual law (Rom 7:14)
Spiritual things (Rom 15:27)
Spiritual people (1Cor 2:15)
Spiritual nourishment (1Cor 10:3)
Spiritual water (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual rock (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual counselors (Gal 6:1)
Spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)
Spiritual music (Eph 5:19)
Spiritual understanding (Col 1:9)
Spiritual housing (1Pet 2:5)
Spiritual sacrifices (1Pet 2:5)

So then the properties of a spiritual body aren't necessarily those of a specter.

● 1Cor 15:53 . . For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this
mortal must put on immortality.

Immortal people will be able to dine upon ordinary foods and beverages in
the future.

● Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

● Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.

● Luke 22:28-30 . .You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials;
and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant
with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my
kingdom.
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Wansvic said:
Believers are to be filled (indwelt) with the Spirit. (Acts 2:36-39, 8:14-17, 9:17-18, 10:44-45, 19:1-6) The experience is required for believers to become born again Christians. (Romans 8:9)
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The filling, indwelling and being born again are 3 different ministries of the Spirit.
 
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studentoftheword said:
Then how did he walk through a closed door -----your ignorance is showing here ----you don't want the Truth ---you just want to be right and your NOT -----Period----

Jesus was in His Glorified Body ----just as we will be in Heaven ------
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It doesn't say he walked through a closed door. He simply appeared in the room.

You stick to a body of flesh if you want, I'll have the body that's made from the stuff of heaven thanks. :)
 
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sawdust said:
It doesn't say he walked through a closed door. He simply appeared in the room.
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and how do you think he got into the room with the door closed and the walls around the room -----Flesh and bone do not nor can it go through walls ---doors etc that are not open -----only a Glorified Jesus can do that -----

Your trying to be right in your wrong understanding ------instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to guide you into the truth of the Scripture ---Period
 
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● 1Cor 15:35 . . How are the dead raised? and with what manner of body do
they come?

Everything that we know of in the cosmos-- all life, matter, and energy --is
composed of elements scientists have listed in the so-called periodic table.
(There was a time when every one of those elements were natural, but now
several of them are man-made, viz: artificial.)

Well; it seems reasonable to me that if God was intelligent enough,
resourceful enough, and capable enough, to create the elements we know
of, then it shouldn't be too difficult for Him to create any number of
elements we've never heard of. In other words: I think it safe to assume
that the properties of the world above are quite unlike those of our world
below.

Now according to Phil 3:21, Jesus no longer has a natural body, rather, he
has a glorified body. But the thing is: his glorified body, regardless of its
chemical composition and/or its physical characteristics, is visible to the
naked eye (Acts 1:11 & Rev 1:7) and capable of dining upon ordinary foods
and beverages. (Matt 26:29, Luke 22:15-16, Luke 22:28-30)

NOTE: Most conventional Christians at least believe Jesus' crucified dead
body was restored to life. But not all versions of Christianity agree. For
example the Jehovah's Witnesses insist Jesus' crucified dead body is still
dead, and its remains are squirreled away somewhere on earth in a
condition and a location known only God.
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studentoftheword said:
and how do you think he got into the room with the door closed and the walls around the room -----Flesh and bone do not nor can it go through walls ---doors etc that are not open -----only a Glorified Jesus can do that -----

Your trying to be right in your wrong understanding ------instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to guide you into the truth of the Scripture ---Period
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Of course it's me, it's always the other person whose wrong. ;)

As I said, there is nothing to say He went through anything, He simply appeared. Most likely had to do with quantum physics, wave/particle duality, beam me up Scotty stuff. I don't know how God does what He does.

He was raised bodily, the body he showed Thomas was made of the elements of the earth, it was flesh and bone, it still had the scars.

Seeing as it was no problem for God bringing a dead body back to life, I hardly think doors and walls are much of an obstacle to overcome. :)
 
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I John 4:13-15 "By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit."
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Yes, and as Sawdust said referring to 1 Corinthians 12:13: We were all baptized by one Spirit into one body.
 
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Wansvic said:
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4
Acts 2:4

Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33
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Yes. They were all refers to the 11 apostles. Follow the scripture back to its origin to correctly see who "they" refers to. Go back to the Lord's words and direction to them in Luke 24:49 where Jesus told the 11 to tarry in Jerusalem until they received power from on high. Follow that thru to Acts and read carefully. It was the apostles, not all present.
 
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