Question about women in the church.

How clear can you get if sometimes (an original) word means woman and other times it means wife? or sometimes it means deacon and other times it means servant? and at times supposedly only depending on if it is referring to a male or female? and especially if it is left to who happens to have acquired to authority (i.e. translation authorized by king james as opposed to being authorized by queen mary).
Is it clear that "ruling over" and is exactly the same as "having authority"? Scripture tells us that the people noticed that Jesus spoke as one having authority. Does that translate that He was authorized to change the meaning of scripture according to His personal preferences? Those that hold to the position that women cannot have authority have their own preferences toward that interpretation and just as much read it as you like and claim scriptural backup but more, accurately it is only a translational backup.

Considering the time of the Holy Spirit had not yet arrive and Jesus, as man could/would not 'enter into' a woman to teach her all things until the time of Pentecost had come, then this decision become more clear and glaringly prudent for that particular time.

It seems to also be backed up by Isaiah 3:12 as stated above.

I have no preference in this matter, just would like to follow the Lord according to His way and not man or society's.

Jesus always did what the father Commanded him, and the Holy Spirit teaches the same thing that the father teaches as they are one.
there are no examples in the first 1800 years where women had a leader role in the church, it came in the beginning of the 1800s, ( last 200 years )
this is not about interpretation, its facts,
there are nowhere in the new testament where a woman had a leader role in the church. and the early church teached the same thing, all the way up to 1800s, they never ordained a woman.
we should not twist the truth my friend.
woman cannot be a pastor nor in any leader role in the church of Jesus, its not possible, Jesus would have chosen at least 1 woman but he didn't, he choose only men because Jesus wouldn't do anything else than what the Father commanded.
the Curse of Eve after her sin was that man would rule over her, this was the curse for all woman, how do we know, because in the same verse it says that woman will be in sorrow in child birth as a curse for her sin, which is also for all woman as we know.

Gen 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”

Isaiah is speaking of female oppressors isn't that obvious?

More accurately, interpreters did not record any instances of women leaders. They changed the meaning of deaconess to a lesser office of 'servant' if the context spoke of a female.
And God did not curse eve as the solution for her transgression. Her husband ruling over her did not help in anyway to make her more obedient. If His ruling over her was a curse, then it was not a 'good' thing. Rather, a blessing is a good thing. Isn't that obvious to you?

All I read is misogyny dressed in religious garb!

that's not true at all.
there are not 1 example in the new testament of a woman leader. not one.
trust me i have studied this and never was i given any proof, and i have read the bible myself, there are none.
and deacons are a role for men.

1 Timothy 3:8
Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,

1 Timothy 3:10
These men must also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach.

1 Timothy 3:12
Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households.

It grieves me that people wanna change the bible and twist it so much instead of reading it as is and understanding the history.
im done on this subject.

God bless you my friend.

I would never.....ever......aid, abet, assist or attend a Church with a female Pastor leading. Ever.

And this is why.

1Ti 2:12
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

1Ti 2:13
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

1Ti 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

The reasoning goes all the way back to the creation. And then the fall.
With all of the staggeringly enormous implications.
Sure most people do not "get it". But that would be their problem and not mine.

Paul’s words to Timothy allude to a local cultural issue. His reference to Genesis fits this context perfectly and actually affirm women rather than restricting them, as so many misogynistic male Christians think.

How clear can you get if sometimes (an original) word means woman and other times it means wife?

Paul’s words to Timothy allude to a local cultural issue. His reference to Genesis fits this context perfectly and actually affirm women rather than restricting them, as so many misogynistic male Christians think.

Here is a bit to chew on.
1. Jesus didn't choose any women disciples, none of the 12 were women. (think about this a bit)
also what does a disciple mean? it means a learner or a student.
Jesus was their teacher and he teached them

he choose women because since Adam and Eve the mans role is the leader role since he was first, Eve was made to be the helper.

Either Jesus, the disciples and the 1800 years of church history is wrong or the last 200 years is wrong, i know what im betting on, and we are in the end times its expected that there are heresies left and right, you see homosexual pastors, and all kind of unbiblical things along with woman pastors today, its all and the same, ( unbiblical and unhistorical )

I know this is a touchy subject having fair and share deal with it, in the end we all have to ask ourselves why would we change what Jesus did and why would we be different than the first 1800 years of church history, instead we should submit to each God given role and be blessed in it, no one are less because of their roles, but if we go against the history then imo we are rebellious and that is not good mildly said.

BTW, you will need to prove that the early Church Fathers (***NOT MOTHERS***) were Biblical hacks, way out in left field, and were hideously malignant misogynists.

So good luck with that.

Many denominations were founded by women or had one as a false prophetess. That's where they take Bible verses out of context to suit their church dogmas. Some just plain disregard the plain teaching of the Bible. I've even visited an independent fundamental Baptist churches that knew better. The pastor had his wife teach Sunday school to the men. His daughter was a homosexual teaching the children.
Rather than try to change the churches it's best to move on until you find a pastor who wants to follow God and do things His way.
Congregational teaching is a leadership activity. How can a woman teach a church and not be leading? That verse you cited is clear as it gets.

There are times women SHOULD preach. Mark 16:15 is given to disciples, Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Every saved man, woman and child should preach> The Good News of Jesus Christ gift< to others.
Women are to teach the younger women. They teach children as well as new believers. They problem is that most pastors are not believers and this is proven by their false gospel explained HERE.

I went to a new church yesterday with hopes of maybe being discipled, to get some guidance and help in the faith.

As well as the pastor speaking, a woman and the pastor's wife done a bit of preaching.

This doesn't seem right at all, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 comes to mind.

11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.


I have nothing against women but do against the modern day attitude influenced by feminism and western culture that blatantly goes against God's word.

Also it seems a bit disturbing that no one speaks out about this, pastor's, people who have been in the faith for a long time, you'd think they'd know better? Why are people just letting this happen?

So are the way churches run in general going against what Christ taught and commanded? I do wonder why i don't feel good about going back to any church I've been to around where I'm from, and i thought it was partly because of the issue of women preaching/teaching.

i don't feel good about going back to any church I've been to around where I'm from, and i thought it was partly because of the issue of women preaching/teaching.