One will be taken, one left

34 I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 There will be two women grinding together; one will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they said to him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the body is, there the eagles[f] will be gathered together.”

Question==Is this a rapture verse??

No.

The context is His Second Coming to the earth (Rev19), THAT time-slot.


The one "taken" is taken away in judgment... just as in Noah's day;

The one "left" is left to ENTER the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (in their mortal bodies)... just as in Noah's day.


(Compare these "taken" and "left" passages in Matt24 and Lk17 ["as the days of Noah were..."] to that of both Gen9:1 and Dan2:35c ["[actively] fill / filled the [whole] earth"]--commencing at the start of the earthly Millennial Kingdom age)




It is not a "rapture" passage or context (in that, neither the one "taken" nor the one "left" is "raptured / snatched / caught-up")

i don't think its talking about a rapture but the second coming and the seperation between the unbelievers and believers, and it says like in the days of noah so it will be, what happened? was someone raptured? no... but the unbelievers was taken away, and noah and his family stayed...

^ Good post @Derobo ... agreed!




... and welcome to CC.

27 They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was in the days of Lot—they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built, 29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom fire and sulphur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Doesn't seem like a time of trouble?

@TheDivineWatermark

Thank you my friend!

God bless you mightily!!

Lot and his family was commanded to leave Sodom before the fire balls hit the city, just like Noah and his family was spared from the flood, none of them was raptured they all stayed on earth, but the unbelievers in both scenarios died, so you can say they were taken out in that sense, i hope you understand my friend, im here to learn too.

God Bless you.

No, the imagery is using Noah's flood and those who were "taken" in the flood were not the righteous.

Well, to us who believe the Rapture is real, yes that's exactly what will happen.

CONSIDER:

--ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / comes / etc" passages speak of [/are in the CONTEXT of] His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, *for* the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (commencing upon His "RETURN" there, to the earth)--Some of those verses / passages are: Matt24:27,30,37,44; Matt25:13,31; Matt10:23; Matt16:27,28; Matt26:64; Mk8:38; Mk13:26; Mk14:62; Lk9:26; Lk18:8; Lk12:40; Lk21:27[,36]; ... there may be others

... so, how many of those passages go into detail regarding the tribulation period which will exist [then] and lead up to that point? Not many.

But that doesn't change the fact that these are speaking to that (His Second Coming to the earth, FOR the MK age), per context.



[there are many other passages in the gospels which ALSO speak to the time-slot of His Second Coming to the earth FOR the MK age, which likewise aren't necessarily *describing* the TRIB yrs which will exist and PRECEDE it... That is just ONE example.]




Not every passage (speaking to that matter) has as its purpose to ALSO "describe" the conditions (in the world) surrounding that time period.

So, in the passages that speak of "AS the days of Noah were, SO SHALL ALSO the coming of the Son of man be," the point (HERE) is that people did not have "the things of God" in mind, they went about their lives as though that was not an important thing; IOW, IN NOAH'S day, they DISREGARDED the Word of God VIA Noah, and thus perished in the flood judgment.

The passage isn't meant to "describe" the conditions of the world [during the years preceding His Second Coming to the earth], but the conditions of people's hearts / mindsets, so to speak--just like in Noah's day, they (the ones "taken" away in judgment) will likewise DISREGARD the Word of God (and thus will likewise perish--they will NOT be granted ENTRANCE INTO the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age, commencing upon His "RETURN" there, to the earth)



Hope that helps.

To my thinking, this verse shows that the Earth is round. Three different time zones at the same moment in time...

Right.

Exactly correct!

The text states (in Mt24:39), "And they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away."

It was NOT Noah who "knew not until" (no! Noah "prepared an ark" just as he was instructed to do--which took many years! AND he was told to board the ark prior to the rains starting, per Gen7:1,4, "FOR YET SEVEN DAYS, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights..."--meaning, he also had a "heads up" 7 days before the rains commenced).


So this phrase I bolded and underlined in the Matt24:39 text, "THEY KNEW NOT until..." is talking [not about Noah, who KNEW!] rather about the ones who perished in the flood judgment (NOT the righteous).



Neither the "taken" (who are taken away IN JUDGMENT, just as in Noah's day) nor the "left" (who are "left" to remain on the earth for the EARTHLY MK age, in their mortal bodies, just as in Noah's day)... neither are being "raptured / snatched / caught-up [IN THE AIR--to the meeting of the Lord]," as that is NOT its CONTEXT, here!




Yes, we DO believe there IS a "rapture" (our Rapture)... but these passages in Matt24 and Lk17 are NOT speaking of THAT, at all.
That's not its CONTEXT.

The CONTEXT here (in these passages) pertains to His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (FOR the EARTHLY MK age).

There are too many believers to be loaded into an ark. The Rapture scenario is something else, akin to Elijah's being taken up but for a different reason. What I'm stating is the Scriptures given depict what the Rapture will be like, believers taken and unbelievers left behind.

Yes the Rapture will be like that but what the particular passage the OP asked about is not concerning the Rapture but the Second Coming and is removing the unbelievers from the earth, not believers which, is what the Rapture will remove, that is, believers in Christ.

It pays not to mix the two up.

Amen, it pays to Rightly Divide God's Word Of Truth:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.

Ok, this is from the Billy Graham Evangelistic Society, which probably is the message he used to preach with on this subject:

There are many Christians who believe that the second coming of Jesus Christ will be in two phases. First, He will come for believers, both living and dead, in the “rapture” (read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). In this view, the rapture—which is the transformation and catching up of all Christians, dead or alive, to meet Christ in the air—will be secret, for it will be unknown to the world of unbelievers at the time of its happening.
The effect of this removal, in the absence of multitudes of people, will, of course, be evident on earth. Then, second, after a period of seven years of tribulation on earth, Christ will return to the earth with His church, the saints who were raptured (Matthew 24:30, 2 Thessalonians 1:7, 1 Peter 1:13, Revelation 1:7). He will be victorious over His enemies and will reign on the earth for 1,000 years (the millennium) with His saints, the church.

I'm still doing research on this, when I can, and I'm certainly open to the truth so I'll keep seeking it.

Hi TabinRivCA,

I'm sure you don't think any of us are suggesting that an ark will be constructed for the future/end-times events. No, nothing like that has been our point. lol

I'm going to have to say that I agree with "sawdust's" response to you, on this point. That the "context" is not about "our Rapture" in these verses. I do understand where you are coming from though (as many of us were taught it the way you are presenting these passages, many years ago--in the early 70s, for me--so I "get" why you are saying this.)

It's just that (re: Matt24) His disciples were asking Him a question [questions] in Matt24:3 that was BASED ON what He had ALREADY spoken to them about in Matt13 (about "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50... when the "angels" will "REAP")... and Jesus' response covers two whole chapters (chpts 24-25).

In Matt13 (upon which their present question was BASED) shows that the angels (reapers) will be told (at that time), "collect ye FIRST the TARES"--This is the EXACT OPPOSITE SEQUENCE from that of the events surrounding "our Rapture" (TO the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR).

This is just one of the many distinctions between the two.




In the Lk17 text (on the same subject as in Matt24:37-39--His Second Coming to the earth), it supplies a little more information. In verses 27 and 29, it says, "and destroyed [G622] them-all [G537]." This isn't what happens at the time-slot of "our Rapture," meaning, the ones who are not saved aren't ALL "destroyed" at that moment;

To many of them (and God knows which ones), He "SHALL SEND TO THEM strong delusion, SO THAT *they* should believe THE LIE / THE FALSE / THE PSEUDEI" *in / during / within* the Trib years [the DOTL's "judgments" aspect]; whereas others (as Paul shows in the other bookended section) will being coming to faith in Christ (in / during / within the SAME TIME PERIOD: the TRIB yrs, FOLLOWING "our Rapture").


Additionally, Noah (and crew) isn't a "type" of our Rapture. Enoch (ONE MAN) was, however. And he was taken up well BEFORE the flood-judgment came upon the earth. Noah (and crew) are a picture of who will make it through the tribulation period and will enter the earthly MK age in their mortal bodies (being the ONLY ONES who will have the capacity to reproduce / bear children... besides their children / grandchildren born in / during the MK age, of course).
At the END of the MK age, Rev20:8 can say, "the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." (Remember, ONLY *believers / saints / the righteous* will be granted permission to ENTER the MK age--NOT *UNbelievers*; But of course, the "children and grandchildren" who will be BORN to them, will not be "BORN automatically RIGHTEOUS"--it is THESE who will be the only ones susceptible to "death" in the MK age, as death will be much more rare in the MK, and reserved only for the rebellious [/unsaved])

Yes! Very well said.

Just now seeing your post. Keep up the study, yes! It is indeed profitable, as "sawdust" and "GRACE_ambassador" have said. I agree.

I don't believe in the rapture.

One Left in Field, and taken.
Those who stay in the field, keep planting seeds for God, they weren't deceived by Satan as antichrist.

Those taken, this group worshiped antichrist. They lack knowledge of God's word.

Matthew chapter 25
Parable of ten virgins.

Five virgins had sufficient oil. Which is knowledge of God's word. They had gospel armor on. There not fooled by Satan in his role as antichrist.

Five foolihess virgins lacked knowledge of God's word. They didn't have enough oil. They're not prepared. They don't have gospel armor of Ephesians chapter 6.

Spiritual growth is absolutely essential.

Ephesians chapter 6

You must have gospel armor on. It's knowledge and wisdom of God's word.

Revelation chapter 13

Satan as antichrist will lead one world religious system at 6th Trump. Those who don't have sufficient oil in their lamps, which is knowledge of God's word, will be deceived by antichrist lies and deception. He will look like Jesus and act like Jesus.

@TabinRivCA ,

Another point you might appreciate... ... notice the Matt24:27,30,37,39,44 [I had to INSERT v.39 I'd left out previously ] and the Lk12:40 verses I placed in BLUE for this post... (all of these verses having some form of "Son of man cometh / coming of / shall come / etc," i.e. His Second Coming to the earth)... Notice that the Matthew verses are in the same context as the "taken" and "left" (as the days of Noah were, so shall also...).

What I'm pointing out, here, is that the parallel passage to this Matt24 section (and its subsequent section) is found in the same context as the Lk12:40 verse (context being vv.36-48 of that Lk12 chpt), where THAT context (in v.36) supplies AN ADDITIONAL *timing-related* clue... it says, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom!) Yes, those saints / believers / righteous / wise (located on the earth, when He will RETURN there) will ENTER the earthly MK age (i.e. they are indeed "saved" persons), they just aren't the "Bride / Wife," see. (and they never "lift off" the earth, as WE WILL do! [in our "G726 SNATCH" =) ])