Tonight's Presidential Debate

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ZNP

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They are about to eliminate the US dollar and replace it with a digital dollar. This will give the government much more power over people, and as a result many people will use gold and silver as currency. Because of that the US dollar will collapse and relative to the US dollar gold and silver will go up significantly. So if you were in Wymar Germany the price of gold and silver relative to the German currency would have skyrocketed. Doesn't mean that it skyrockets relative to stable metric of value.

However, in the US banks will be desperate for something of value and the only thing they have to trade is mortgages, so it is very possible that $3,000 worth of silver today will be able to buy one of these mortgages after the crash.
 

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I think one thing at all the debates that drives me crazy is when one side says we are importing more energy or oil and the other will say we increased drilling or production. The reason it drives me crazy is because both are true at the same time but the real problem is not being addressed.

Energy is broken down into 3 component's. You have 1.....Upstream, which is the exploration and drilling, getting the oil out so it can be used. 2.....Midstream, the refining of oil into various products to be used. Then getting the finished product to the market place. This is your pipelines, ships, railways, trucking, and etc. 3.....Downstream this is where the consumer buys the product and uses it in it's various forms.

The problem is Midstream and why both are true at the same time. When we first discovered oil it was a heavier crude oil what it is know as "sour" this is what is drilled for with traditional rigs onshore or offshore.

Fracking is a lighter crude oil and known as "sweet". The problem is all our refiners and infrastructure was built for heavier crude, what we have traditionally drilled and refined.

Now that fracking has grown we have no refiners so we have to send it to foreign countries to be refined since we do not have the capability. So the more we drill the more we import since we do not have the ability to refine the very oil we drilled.

So I would like to start to hear that is going to be solved and how our country is going to build the infrastructure to use the very oil we drill and the jobs that will be created with the building of that infrastructure. Us able to sell the finished product instead of having to buy it back and import it.

I think this matters since the finished product always creates the bigger economical benefit. So I would rather hear how we are going to solve the problem instead of the we import more oil and then the we increased production.
 

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Keep laughing


Who could have seen this coming? Oh right, Trump did.
 

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Keep laughing


Who could have seen this coming? Oh right, Trump did.
IMO.....local and state bankruptcies is what they are aiming for.
Then comes the sovereign default.

Wise and useful immigration policies CREATE GREATER PROSPERITY.
And the tax base likewise IMPROVES, local and state government coffers GROW.

This is not happening now, all by design IMO.
 

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Finally, after how many years? Big deal. The damage is already done! What is it now? Like 2.5-2.9%? It was even lower than that under Trump. Where did it top out under Biden? Like around 9%? I can tell a big difference economically from Trump to Biden. My wife and I went from spending $150 a week on groceries to $200 a week. We used to spend $14-$15 for two meals at Chick-fil-A under Trump to $21-22 for those same two meals under Biden. Gas is higher under Biden. A synthetic oil change went from costing around $60 under Trump to over $100 under Biden. Within the last year I had to buy a new car battery and could not believe it cost $220 and $1,000 for 4 new tires installed. The last time I bought a new car battery, and 4 new tires installed it cost significantly less than that. Our homeowner's insurance keeps jumping ever since Biden took office. Our county has been sued by multiple cities because they raised property taxes significantly in 2023. Some people saw over 100% increase the last time around! That has never happened before. Everything is up! Utility bills keep jumping as well. Costs to travel including lodging. It's not just me either. I've heard many people complain about the cost of living ever since Biden took office, but you go right ahead and keep defending him.
As I've covered here before, post-pandemic inflation occurred in most of the developed world, with the US faring better than most. Earlier, I cited data showing the US ranked 19th (IOW, there were 18 developed countries with higher post-pandemic inflation rates), and was even with or just barely above about 6-9 other countries.

In that context, the US did quite well with the post-pandemic inflation phenomenon. We've actually gotten it close to normal levels without having to go through a recession, which economists referred to as the "soft landing".

https://www.economist.com/finance-a...n-and-a-recession-is-unlikely-what-went-right

Crime had nowhere to go but down after Trump's last year in office.
Then I guess that's on Trump. The fact remains, crime rates have plummeted and are approaching historic lows.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/us-crime-rate-drops-to-historic-lows-new-q1-stats-show/

I've been right here. Booming or just finally bouncing back?
Booming, as in reaching record highs.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/dow-jones-hits-record-high-40000-points

https://www.marketwatch.com/livecov...ow-futures-rise-as-key-inflation-report-looms

So, he just recently finally did that? For how long? It is an election year. What's his angle for doing that and will it last?
President Biden worked with Republican Senators such as Lankford (R-OK) on an immigration reform bill that would severely roll back the asylum system, end "catch and release", speed up processing and deportations, add agents and technology to the border, etc.

President Biden said he would sign it. But then Trump ordered Republicans to kill it (even saying "blame me") because he didn't want to give Democrats a win in an election year. After Republicans obeyed Trump and killed the bill, President Biden issued his EO.

If Trump hadn't put his campaign over the good of the country, and if Republicans didn't take orders from Trump, there wouldn't have been any need for the EO.

That war had been going on long before Trump took office,
Yep, and the claim that there were "no wars under Trump" is false.

Genocide of indigenous population? Sounds like abortion and also reminds me of Covid. I see where this is going with slavery and segregation, which ended years ago. Slavery existed even back in the Old Testament days and in some parts of the world still does exist today. Exploiting racism has worked out great for Democrats. Why stop now? There have been wrongs from the past in America where strides have been taken to make right. There are no perfect countries. Including America, but recently, America just keeps spiraling downward. Race relations were the best I had ever seen while my son was still in school just before Obama took office. Then that changed fast. Embracing homosexuality, allowing men to compete with woman in sports and share the same locker room, pushing abortion rights as if it's such an important right and calling the right to murder innocent babies' freedom. Trump gave the power to decide back to the states, yet that's not good enough for Democrats. They want full blown rights to murder babies in all states. How do think God feels about homosexuality and the murder of innocent babies? Do you believe that God honors the democratic party? I doubt He honors very many politicians at all, yet it always seems to come down to the lesser of two evils as they say.
I appreciate you sharing your opinions with me, but I just can't agree that God would pass judgement on the US now, but not do so when we were committing genocide, enslaving people, etc.

Oh, like that's going to happen. Sounds more like a democratic plan.
It was in Tuesday's debate. Trump was asked about how his mass deportation plan would work, and when the moderator pointed out that Trump had said the National Guard would be involved in conducting door to door operations, Trump agreed and added that local police would participate as well.

So no, I cannot go along with the US military going door to door and searching the homes of Americans. That's completely unconstitutional (4th Amendment) and unAmerican.
 

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Karl Rove weighs in on the debate

Tuesday’s debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump was a train wreck for him, far worse than anything Team Trump could have imagined.
Will this debate have an effect? Yes, though perhaps not as much as Team Harris hopes or as much as Team Trump might fear. But there’s no putting lipstick on this pig. Mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as “dumb as a rock.” Which raises the question: What does that make him?
 

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Fox News found that House Republicans were also very disappointed in Trump's debate performance

"It was terrible. I think you’re seeing that comment from everybody," one senior House Republican told Fox News Digital.
Another House GOP lawmaker went even further, calling the debate a "dumpster fire" for the former president.
"It was one of the worst bloodlettings I’ve ever seen," the lawmaker said. "But the thing is, too, the optics itself — Trump standing next to Kamala Harris, he looks old. He didn’t look old against Biden…and that, you can’t fix."
 

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As I've covered here before, post-pandemic inflation occurred in most of the developed world, with the US faring better than most. Earlier, I cited data showing the US ranked 19th (IOW, there were 18 developed countries with higher post-pandemic inflation rates), and was even with or just barely above about 6-9 other countries.

In that context, the US did quite well with the post-pandemic inflation phenomenon. We've actually gotten it close to normal levels without having to go through a recession, which economists referred to as the "soft landing".

https://www.economist.com/finance-a...n-and-a-recession-is-unlikely-what-went-right

Then I guess that's on Trump. The fact remains, crime rates have plummeted and are approaching historic lows.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/us-crime-rate-drops-to-historic-lows-new-q1-stats-show/

Booming, as in reaching record highs.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/dow-jones-hits-record-high-40000-points

https://www.marketwatch.com/livecov...ow-futures-rise-as-key-inflation-report-looms

President Biden worked with Republican Senators such as Lankford (R-OK) on an immigration reform bill that would severely roll back the asylum system, end "catch and release", speed up processing and deportations, add agents and technology to the border, etc.

President Biden said he would sign it. But then Trump ordered Republicans to kill it (even saying "blame me") because he didn't want to give Democrats a win in an election year. After Republicans obeyed Trump and killed the bill, President Biden issued his EO.

If Trump hadn't put his campaign over the good of the country, and if Republicans didn't take orders from Trump, there wouldn't have been any need for the EO.

Yep, and the claim that there were "no wars under Trump" is false.

I appreciate you sharing your opinions with me, but I just can't agree that God would pass judgement on the US now, but not do so when we were committing genocide, enslaving people, etc.

It was in Tuesday's debate. Trump was asked about how his mass deportation plan would work, and when the moderator pointed out that Trump had said the National Guard would be involved in conducting door to door operations, Trump agreed and added that local police would participate as well.

So no, I cannot go along with the US military going door to door and searching the homes of Americans. That's completely unconstitutional (4th Amendment) and unAmerican.
I'm skeptical about crime rates plummeting (the msm media can be manipulative about statistics, especially when it comes to crime rates, homicide rates and unemployment rates. It took the stock market a while to bounce back. I made a killing off the stock market under Trump but not under Biden. In regard to wars under Trump I meant wars that started under his watch.
 

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I'm skeptical about crime rates plummeting (the msm media can be manipulative about statistics, especially when it comes to crime rates, homicide rates and unemployment rates.
The news articles are simply reporting on the crime data that's available. If you have data showing something different, perhaps you should share it with them.

It took the stock market a while to bounce back. I made a killing off the stock market under Trump but not under Biden.
The stock markets hit record highs and you still managed to lose money? Or did you just not make as much as you hoped?

In regard to wars under Trump I meant wars that started under his watch.
Okay.
 

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I'm skeptical about crime rates plummeting (the msm media can be manipulative about statistics, especially when it comes to crime rates, homicide rates and unemployment rates. It took the stock market a while to bounce back. I made a killing off the stock market under Trump but not under Biden. In regard to wars under Trump I meant wars that started under his watch.
Most of the crime we see on the news is looting and since many cities have decriminalized that it doesn't show up on statistics. We have not seen violent gangs, not yet.
 

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The news articles are simply reporting on the crime data that's available. If you have data showing something different, perhaps you should share it with them.

The stock markets hit record highs and you still managed to lose money? Or did you just not make as much as you hoped?

Okay.
I knew there was a catch to the crime significantly dropping claim.

https://pointofview.net/articles/crime-not-going-down/

I did not lose money under Biden because I'm in a more conservative fund now after doing very well under Trump. I knew someone who lost $100K almost immediately under Biden and just recently started to bounce back. I retired this last May and am tired of the risky funds/roller coaster ride. I make enough return on interest now to do just fine with a more conservative fund. Thank you Trump!
 

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I highly doubt that anyone watched the debate and changed their opinion about who to vote for, that is not how these things are used anymore. Instead they will cut up comments said during the debate and put them into ads.

Because of that I think the reason Trump agreed to ABC, Kamala's best friend, and what was very obviously a "home game" for Harris was to give her more confidence to lie with impunity. They will then turn those lies into the centerpiece of their ad strategy.

In the end when you have an incumbent running the two main issues are the economy and war. This election is a referendum on the Biden administration on those two fronts.
ABC News rebuked by pro-life group, asked for correction of abortion claim by debate moderator

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-n...ed-correction-abortion-claim-debate-moderator
 

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(1) Chief Nerd on X: "NEW — Ex-Hillary Clinton Strategist Mark Penn Calls for a Full Investigation Into ABC ‘Rigging the Outcome’ of the Trump/Harris Debate “I think that the day after suspicion here is really quite high. And I think a review of all their internal texts and emails really should be https://t.co/D4YIjyZjRr" / X

“I think that the day after suspicion here is really quite high. And I think a review of all their internal texts and emails really should be done by an independent party to find out to what extent they were planning on, in effect, fact checking just one candidate and in effect, rigging the outcome of this debate.”
 

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