Tonight's Presidential Debate

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Cameron143 said:
He couldn't veto anything. He's not in office.

The reason he was against it was because it weakened current law and codified illegal immigration up to 5000 per day.

The increase in agents would only be used to process illegal immigrants more quickly; not interdict and detain.
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Not only that but 70 billion was for Ukraine and that war and $0 was for the wall. It was a joke "boarder security" bill for show to ram through other things. Anyone that buys into the lie that Trump undermined this administrations attempt to strengthen the boarder is very uninformed and just doesn't have any clue at all what they're talking about. Period. They're stupid talking point made by the worst administration in history, and those who buy it are their own enemies along with being the American peoples enemy. Ignorance will kill and there's no excuse to be uninformed these days.
 
Jimbone said:
Not only that but 70 billion was for Ukraine and that war and $0 was for the wall. It was a joke "boarder security" bill for show to ram through other things. Anyone that buys into the lie that Trump undermined this administrations attempt to strengthen the boarder is very uninformed and just doesn't have any clue at all what they're talking about. Period. They're stupid talking point made by the worst administration in history, and those who buy it are their own enemies along with being the American peoples enemy. Ignorance will kill and there's no excuse to be uninformed these days.
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I've said this before on here and I'll say it again. Supporting Ukraine sends a message to Putin that he doesn't get to invade a sovereign country with no consequences. Worth every penny
 
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Cameron143 said:
The reason he was against it was because it weakened current law
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No it didn't. It severely rolls back the asylum system, puts stricter criteria on granting asylum, speeds up hearings and deportations, adds tons of resources to border enforcement, ends "catch and release",

and codified illegal immigration up to 5000 per day.
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Um, no. It mandates by law that when border encounters (not crossings) average 5,000 per day over 7 days, the border is closed. If encounters reach 8,500 in a day, the border is closed.

And again, those are encounters, not crossings. Under the bill those encountered would either be turned away or, if they make an asylum claim, immediately detained and their case decided within 15 days (with them being detained the entire time).

The increase in agents would only be used to process illegal immigrants more quickly; not interdict and detain.
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That's just simply wrong. The bill specifically mandates the capture and detention of migrants until their cases are finished, IOW ending "catch and release".
 
daisyseesthesun said:
I know it is the most outrageous thing she said
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I thought Trump had a poor debate because he didn't clearly annunciate his positions and contrast them to hers. He missed several opportunities to show she was lying, and was baited some and fell for it. His closing statement should have been his theme: if she was really for moving forward, why didn't she do so for the last 4 years.
That said, Harris didn't give anyone reason to vote for her. Besides playing Santa with free presents for first time homeowners and new parents, she has no vision; only platitudes. My head almost exploded when she said Trump was the one dividing people. It is Democrats who divide everyone into groups and then tell them they have been abused in some way and deserve some form of reparations. It was Joe Biden who said if black people didn't vote for him then they aren't really black. How much more racist can you be? It was Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy who at a reception for Obama commented that 50 years earlier he would be serving their drinks. And it was the Democrat party that owned slaves, pushed the Jim Crow laws, and opposed integration. The party of division and racism has always been the Democrats. Shoot, they even elected former KKK members to the Senate. What a proud tradition.

People are free to vote as they like, but I will never understand how a Christian can vote for a Democrat.
 
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JayBird said:
No it didn't. It severely rolls back the asylum system, puts stricter criteria on granting asylum, speeds up hearings and deportations, adds tons of resources to border enforcement, ends "catch and release",


Um, no. It mandates by law that when border encounters (not crossings) average 5,000 per day over 7 days, the border is closed. If encounters reach 8,500 in a day, the border is closed.

And again, those are encounters, not crossings. Under the bill those encountered would either be turned away or, if they make an asylum claim, immediately detained and their case decided within 15 days (with them being detained the entire time).


That's just simply wrong. The bill specifically mandates the capture and detention of migrants until their cases are finished, IOW ending "catch and release".
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Did you start the TNN...Troll News Network? Or did you name it more aptly...LIE...Lying Infinity Entity?
 
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Tamarisk said:
She has the ears of the younger generation that has been waffling on voting at all. This is a big deal.
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The colleges and universities push hard to get them registered democrat, campaign, then they use the same taxes of their parents to bus them to the polls to vote socialist/ communist.
 
The post-debate polls are brutal for Trump, and are about as bad as they were for Biden in June.

CNN: 63% said Harris won, 37% said Trump (the same ratio from the Trump-Biden debate)
YouGov: 54% said Harris won, 31% said Trump

No wonder the Harris campaign immediately called for another debate, whereas Trump is hinting today that he doesn't want to have another one.
 
Tamarisk said:
My favorite part was when he was called out on his belief that they were eating cats and dogs in Ohio, he walked it back and said " I don't know that's what they tell me" he had to admit, he had no proof to back up his claim because it was just a rumor he heard.

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Trump watches the news like a lot of us. That's what he was going by.
Yes, illegals are from poor places that eat pets. Venezuelans have been starving since their own communist takeover like the one that began in the USA. The broke into their zoos and ate all the exhibits years ago. A pet is a treat and normal fare to them.
Heck, in my neighborhood the chief of police stole my pet Tortoise that I shared with schools, churches, and big festivals, bringing joy to many families most of my life. I don't know if he ate him, but he's gone all the same.

No proof?
The only ones who would have forensic evidence and coughed up a hair ball would be the unlikely illegal in the audience that just ate a cat. Coming up with evidence while on stage would be as likely as getting a confession from the crooked chief of police.

>This is what he was talking about<
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
No proof?
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The ciry officials and all officials are denying the truth about everything. The have colluded with Biden. So here is proof, and there is more proof:
Videos: Springfield Residents Give Inside Scoop On Haitian Takeover (infowars.com)

Breaking! Springfield Resident Found Decapitated Pig Head In Park, Says 16-Year-Old Haitians Attending Elementary Schools & Adults In High School
Breaking! Springfield Resident Found Decapitated Pig Head In Park, Says 16-Year-Old Haitians Attending Elementary Schools & Adults In High School (infowars.com)

J.D. Vance who is from Ohio should have gone to Springfield when this was reported several days ago. He should have spoken to the residents and videoed his conversations. The Trump would have ad serious ammunition for the media hacks who were calling these reports false.
 
PennEd said:
See, this is the problem with most of the American electorate. They are completely misinformed about virtually everything. Mainly because you believe MSM lies, and complete and total slanting for democrats.

Are you prepared to tell us your laughter at Trump was misplaced?

Hear from Kamala’s own mouth exactly what President Trump said was true.
https://rumble.com/v5997s3-kamala-h...e-changed-transgender-policy-for-califor.html
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You are correct and I was wrong. The fact-checker I used said it's out of context, but I don't see how it is out of context now. Here is what I used:


Debate Fact Check: Harris and Trump on the Economy, Immigration and Abortion

“Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.”

— Former President Donald J. Trump

This needs context.
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I'm not sure if you're implying that I'm "completely misinformed about virtually everything" because I thought there is no way she really has this stance. I don't claim to be perfect or know everything. In fact, I usually state explicitly that I don't always know. This was an honest mistake. My apologies.

Having said this, I genuinely hope her 2019 stance isn't her 2024 stance. This is so insane. It's no longer funny, but quite scary that it's true.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
The ciry officials and all officials are denying the truth about everything. The have colluded with Biden. So here is proof, and there is more proof:
Videos: Springfield Residents Give Inside Scoop On Haitian Takeover (infowars.com)

Breaking! Springfield Resident Found Decapitated Pig Head In Park, Says 16-Year-Old Haitians Attending Elementary Schools & Adults In High School
Breaking! Springfield Resident Found Decapitated Pig Head In Park, Says 16-Year-Old Haitians Attending Elementary Schools & Adults In High School (infowars.com)
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Just like I said. Trump's performance at last night's debate was like an Infowars episode.

I'm sure that plays to his always loyal and rather unhinged base, but it's definitely not playing well with anyone else.

Oh, and FYI my wife is actually from Springfield, OH (went to Springfield South HS before it was closed) and her family still lives there. She called her sister (who teaches in Springfield schools) and she said it's all completely fake.

So again I have to wonder why some peoples' ears are tickled by this rather racist fake story. Given your earlier post where you rooted for white supremacists, I think the answer is obvious.
 
Smoke said:
You are correct and I was wrong. The fact-checker I used said it's out of context, but I don't see how it is out of context now. Here is what I used:


Debate Fact Check: Harris and Trump on the Economy, Immigration and Abortion

“Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.”

— Former President Donald J. Trump

This needs context.
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I'm not sure if you're implying that I'm "completely misinformed about virtually everything" because I thought there is no way she really has this stance. I don't claim to be perfect or know everything. In fact, I usually state explicitly that I don't always know. This was an honest mistake. My apologies.

Having said this, I genuinely hope her 2019 stance isn't her 2024 stance. This is so insane. It's no longer funny, but quite scary that it's true.
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I watched the Rumble vid. She said nothing about immigrants, illegal or otherwise.
 
JayBird said:
How about we take a look at the actual bill and see how well it does, and doesn't, line up with your claims?
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Sorry. Still out of troll food. And I have seen the bill. You are lying. Now I'm officially out of troll food and I've canceled my subscription to TNN.
 
JayBird said:
I watched the Rumble vid. She said nothing about immigrants, illegal or otherwise.
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Andy Kaczynski on X: "Our report on CNN tonight: NEW on CNN: On a 2019 ACLU questionnaire Kamala Harris said she supported taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries for detained immigrants, decriminalizing drug possession, and drastic cuts to ICE along with a pledge "end' immigrant detention. https://t.co/KvsJrCTz4H" / X

I felt bad I laughed off Trump's claim as I thought it was wild and dug a little deeper. I think Trump was referencing Kamala's 2019 position when she was trying to come across as further left of Bernie.
 
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