Do i have to Keep the Sabbath or was it only for Israel?

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THE VITAL PRINCIPLE OF
A DYNAMIC SPIRITUAL LIFE

The law (principle) of life - The Holy Spirit is repeatedly described as the Source of spiritual life. Read Ro 8:10, 11; Jn 6:63; 7:38,39. Notice the "sphere" of this life - in Christ Jesus. Do you know and are you experiencing the Holy Spirit as your Source of life in Christ Jesus?

Paul is describing a principle of the spiritual life, like the law of gravity (see below), for one does not have to urge on the "law of gravity" to exert its effect. It does it because that is its natural function. It is like the heart beating. The principle is that it beats without having to be told to do so (excepting of course artificial means of stimulation). In the same way the "law of the Spirit of life" works constantly and will ultimately accomplish His goal of conforming each believer to the image of God's Son (see Ro 8:29, 8:3-note). One is reminded of God's promise to Jacob...

So too the law of the Spirit will accomplish what God has promised (cp Phil 1:6-note). There is a new law for the new life., a new spiritual principal for a new spiritual life! This animating (life giving/producing) principle is the Holy Spirit Who acts as the Imparter of life (Jn 6:63).

Vine notes that "The phrase “the Spirit of life,” is not subjective, “the Spirit who has life,” but objective, “the Spirit who gives life.” “It is the Spirit who quickeneth” (John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."). (Vine, W. Collected writings of W. E. Vine. Nashville: Thomas Nelson)

Law (3551) (nomos) is used in this context to stand for the regulative principle which exercises a control over one. It is analogous to the phrase, the "law" of gravity. Law in this use is not a reference to the Mosaic law or to other divine commandments or requirements. Nomos is a general "principle" or rule, norm and/or standard of judging or acting. It is the principle by which something else operates (see note) Nomos is used in the sense of a principle of operation earlier in the letter, where he speaks of “a law of faith” (see Ro 3:27 note) and as he does in Galatians, where he speaks of “the law of Christ” (Gal 6:2). The law of the Spirit is higher and more powerful than the law of sin and death.

Webster's 1828 says principle is "In a general sense, the cause, source or origin of any thing; that from which a thing proceeds; as the principle of motion. Being that produces any thing; operative cause. The soul of man is an active principle. Tillotson."

Stated another way the law is not a written law but a regulative principle which exercises a control over the life of the believer. On the positive side, the regulative control over a believer's life is exercised by the Holy Spirit (although He can be resisted, quenched, grieved, etc which thwarts the efficacy of His supernatural power and work in one's life!). This control is in the form of the "supernatural energy" giving us both the desire and the power to do God’s will (see Ezekiel 36:27-note, Philippians 2:13-note).

The principle of the sin and its association with death is abundantly clear from Romans 7, where we saw the power of sin which brings death as demonstrated by every sin we commit and every cemetery we see. But now in the Risen Christ, Paul instructs us that the "operating principle" of the Spirit of life is stronger than that associated with Sin, and in fact has the inherent power to free us from the operating principle of sin and death, which controls all those who are still "in Adam" and which can still exert its deleterious effects upon those are now "in Christ". But Paul knows that the truth about these two principles has the potential to set his believing readers free to be all they have the potential to be "in Christ."

In short, the power of this new life is the Holy Spirit Who becomes the Almighty Agent within the believer, securing him wholly, making effectual in experience the deliverance which Paul saw when he cried in Romans 7:24-25:

Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free (rhuomai = rescue by drawing or snatching another to oneself and invariably from danger, evil or an enemy) from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

Of course, the deliverance is through Christ, for it is Christ's Own risen life which every believer now shares ("Christ our life" - Col 3:4-note). But it is the blessed Holy Spirit as "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus", Who makes the deliverance a reality in our everyday experience. It is the Spirit Who is constantly at work in us to make effectual the deliverance from the "law of sin and of death".

The "law (principle) of the Spirit" is analogous to the "law (principle) of aerodynamics" and it's effect on lifting a plane off the ground thus "countering" effects of the "law (principle) of gravity" (see F B Meyer's note). The Spirit similarly lifts believer's lives to a new plane, to "fly" at a new altitude that heretofore was not possible under the "law of sin and of death" when they tried to attain righteousness in their own power and/or by keeping the Law (or religious rules - anything that we do with the intent to try to make us more pleasing to God. God does not desire our fleshly works or sacrifices but obedience, a broken spirit, a broken heart). We were not justified by faith and we cannot be sanctified by faith (Gal 3:3)...it is a supernatural work of grace of the Holy Spirit of God (Gal 5:1,7). Observe that prior to Romans 8 the Spirit was only mentioned for four times in this letter, but in Romans 8 He is mentioned 19 times making Him clearly a "keyword"!

Hi Iconoclast! Thanks for the chance to expand my mind.

I have to admit that I'm pretty confused by what you've offered . But that doesn't mean you're wrong!

Just to make sure that you know where I am "at," the Law of Moses would encapsulate all of the Laws given him by the Lord. Thus, referring to the Law of the Spirit of Life would be in the same context.

I might better to be able to understand if I can grasp what you mean by "The gospel itself depends on it."

I don't understand how the Gospel depends on the Law. Since I think we agree on what the Law of Moses is, maybe we have a different definition of the Gospel of Christ?

Thanks again for this discussion and not a debate. I don't debate!

Discussion can be good and edifying.

Let me attempt a clarification.
The 10 commandments are for all men everywhere.
All men have a God given conscience, even after the fall into sin and death.

The 10 Commandments existed, and were included in the law of Moses
The Mosaic laws were expansions of the Decalogue.
All ten were expanded and described in Deuteronomy
Commandment#
#1] Deut,6-11

#2]Deut12-13

#3]D-14

#4]D.15:1-16:17

#5]D 16:18-18:22

#6]D 19:1-22:8

#7]D22:9-23:14

#8D.23:15-25:4

#9] D24:8-25:4

#10] D25:5-26:19

The ceremonial and judicial aspects of the Mosaic law, animal sacrifices, feast days, new moons, were fulfilled by Jesus, that is what Col.2and Rom.14 talk about.

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I don’t remember one time in all the Bible when or where a Jew ever asked God—“ which Sabbath ,shall I keep?” Every week has a seventh day. Jews understood that every time there was a “Sabbath day” they were to keep it holy. We know the reason for this is found in the creation story in The first chapter of the Bible. If the people you buy a car from says your payment is due on the first of the month ( singular), you don’t ask “which month?” Every month has a first day and every week has a seventh day. And every time a month comes around you are required to make a payment; everytime a sabbath day came around, they were required to keep it holy. Common sense that most people can understand when it comes to everyday things. It’s not hard to understand.

English language grammar allows for a collective singular, Hebrew does not.

Also Hebrew is verb based metaphorical language. Meaning that what you are suggesting is not said in the decalogue.

the prohibition of working on any Saturday is stated elsewhere and in a different manner....but not in the Ten Commandments. Because the New Covenant has a definite law concerning acts of righteousness are not going to assist in your salvation. For it is by grace through faith we have been saved and not by works of ourselves.

I assume from your comments that you believe in a “faith only” doctrine which is contrary to James 2:24. There are different kinds of works in the Bible—boastful works in Eph. 2, works of the old law in Galatians 2, and works of God in John 6:28-29. You are correct that we are not saved by works OF OURSELVES— BUT we ARE SAVED by works of God. “faith” is a “work! But it is a work of God. Any work that God commands is a work of His—like repentance, confession, and baptism.
These are all commanded by God, they originated with God—not man—that makes them works of God and they do not condemn us. They are necessary because God said so. That’s why God COMMANDED repentance in Acts 17:30, and said that confession was for salvation IN ROMANS 10 and why Peter COMMANDED Cornelius and his house to be baptized in Acts 10. Many other scriptures support this like Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19, and 1Peter 3:21. You are making a grace mistake trusting in “faith only” to save you. James 2:24.

I don’t know exactly what your point is about the Sabbath. Exodus 31 is an explanation by God of the Sabbath and its meaning. “Sabbath means “rest” and it signified God resting from His work during creation. Which is why they were not to work on that day. It was the 7 th day of the week.

Acts 17:30

Correct, you do not understand what I am suggesting.
Because I am correctly parsing the Hebrew language correctly as someone taking an originalist viewpoint would.
It's not done very often anymore because we have morality teachers filling the pulpit instead of teaching preachers. But that's another subject.

The Sabbath Commandment in the 10 Commandment declaration/contract is the Commandment concerning the end of the 613 laws of the Torah contract. That God's contract with Israel is at an end....

Remember The Sabbath Day and keep it holy.

This today is the Good Friday celebrations which Christians keep. Good Friday being the Friday before Easter. That's Christians actually keeping that day in remembrance.
The institution of the New Covenant and the End of the Old Covenant....not with the blood of sheep or cattle but God's own blood. (Although all blood is God's).

I suggest that if you want to learn you need to start learning. Do not go by our brief conversation alone.

Learning and submission are synonymous in Hebrew thought....sometimes even the same word. "Humbling yourself" is synonomous with the idea as well. But more leaning towards the concept of following it. Along with the verses of "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble" It could also be said "God opposes the lawless but is generous to the obedient/learned"....but it would be very much attacked by large groups who prioritize their theologies over independent learning.

The scriptures were written in an extremely compressed method with earworms so that a person could remember them. But they were written with many complex and interlacing truths as well. A level of complexity and compression that is unmatched today by any writer. (Many have tried and failed). Flat reading in English, where commendable, is not the sum total of the intention the author had a person 2,000-5,784 years later is going to really understand.
And this misunderstanding is what countless people have used to further their agendas that are insane.

1,000 years is as a day and a day is as 1,000 years to God. Meaning that there is a single day important to God to be mentioned in this contract and it is not Saturdays. Where Sabbath worship is listed elsewhere in a different fashion we consider that portion of the Law different. (As discussed extensively by Paul, James, Peter, Hebrews author, and John.)
And yes. I very much like James and all he says. It was the very first letter written in the New Testament era. And with good reasons. Faith that causes actions....not faith in actions. HUGE difference between the two. That's what James was discussing I believe.

op: keep the sabbath?
Absolutely agree, because of God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:

Yes, sabbath-keeping was required for Israel; a 'sign' between them and God:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

In God's Other Context Of:

No, sabbath-keeping is not required for The Body Of Christ:

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Amen.

That's not talking about the 7th day Sabbath.. It is talking about the Kingdom of God.. Entering into His 1000 year Sabbath kingdom.. The scriptures below in context talk about the people who excaped Egypt but never entered into the promised land ( rest ) because of the heardening of their hearts and disbelief::

(Hebrews 3:15-19) "While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. {16} For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. {17} But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? {18} And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? {19} So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief." (Hebrews 4:1-11) "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. {2} For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. {3} For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. {4} For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. {5} And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. {6} Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: {7} Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. {8} For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. {9} There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. {10} For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. {11} Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."

Hebrews 4:7B plus 9

Precious friend, so since I have Already "entered Into Eternal Rest In Jesus"
the day He "Saved" me, then why am I not "keeping The 'Sabbath' Rest"
[ 24/7/365 ("every day alike" Romans 14:5 AV) ], "Here And Now," In Him,
The Reality [ Sabbath ] Who Replaced the 'Saturday [ shadow ] sabbath',
as Clearly Taught in [ Body Of Christ Instructions = ] Colossians 2:17 AV?
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Since "Hebrews" was written to "Israel," then what is Clearly Taught in 13:11 applies to
them, not The Body Of Christ, whose Instructions are in Romans Through Philemon, eh?:
Why would "children of light" desire to live in the darkness of shadows, eh?:

Amen.

Hebrews was written to Hebrew people in the first century.
All scripture is given to believers from any time and place.
Christians are part of the True Israel
We still are commanded to keep a sabbath, The Lord's day until we are in the eternal state.
Both our eternal rest, and the weekly keeping of a sabbath are in place.

The anyonymous author of Hebrews found different ways of describing the superiority of the Lord Jesus Christ. One of them, which forms the underlying motif of chapters 3 and 4, is that Jesus Christ gives the rest that neither Moses nor Joshua could provide. Under Moses, the people of God were disobedient and failed to enter into God’s rest (Heb. 3:18). Psalm 95:11 (quoted in Hebrews 4:3) implies that Joshua could not have given the people “real rest” since “through David” God speaks about the rest he will give on another day (Heb. 4:7). This in turn implies that “There remains a sabbath rest for the people of God” (Heb. 4:9).

In speaking of this rest (Heb. 3:18; 4:1, 3-6, 8) the author consistently used the same word for “rest” (katapausis). Suddenly, in speaking about the “rest” that remains for the people of God, he uses a different word
(sabbatismos, used only here in the NT) meaning specifically a Sabbath rest. In the context of his teaching, this refers fundamentally to the “Sabbath rest” which is found in Christ (“Come . . . I will give you rest,” Matt. 11:28-30). Thus we are to “strive to enter that rest” (Heb. 4:11).

This word means the "keeping of a Sabbath rest", looking for ward to the Eternal rest that we have in Christ.
So In Christ, all ten commandments are still in place, not nailed to His cross as you suggest.
Look it up;(sabbatismos, used only here in the NT)