Could earth be the center of the universe?

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GOD’s blue prints .. GOD created, we abide..

I really do marvel at some of the science.. not convinced that the aeroplane can lift off the spinning globe.. and still land at the ever moving destination. The moon and the sun move across the sky as I sit still. Lol. Inquisitive and stupid.
 
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NightTwister said:
I see no reason why that proves this.
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Well, because it says in that article that the 'universe is expanding outwards'.
I mean look, this is not a big deal to me. It doesn't matter much on our day-to-day lives.
It only matters on how we are perceived and not everyone is very forgiving.
 
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Eli1 said:
Well, because it says in that article that the 'universe is expanding outwards'.
I mean look, this is not a big deal to me. It doesn't matter much on our day-to-day lives.
It only matters on how we are perceived and not everyone is very forgiving.
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That doesn't negate the possibility that God created the universe 6000 years ago in an "adult" state. Adam was created that way.
 
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NightTwister said:
That doesn't negate the possibility that God created the universe 6000 years ago in an "adult" state. Adam was created that way.
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It's a very real possibility i agree and some of the support for it is found in the observation of the expansion rate too, which is expanding faster than light and faster than we can see. This is again support for the Bible when i hear some Christians talk about "God stretching the firmament".
But despite this, we see that the universe is very old when we measure the light.
So i have to deal with what i see first while knowing fully that God has created us.
 
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Eli1 said:
It's a very real possibility i agree and some of the support for it is found in the observation of the expansion rate too, which is expanding faster than light and faster than we can see. This is again support for the Bible when i hear some Christians talk about "God stretching the firmament".
But despite this, we see that the universe is very old when we measure the light.
So i have to deal with what i see first while knowing fully that God has created us.
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God could've made stars and planets AND the light between them. I just don't see a reason this scenario isn't possible, and it eliminates some problems with other ones.
 
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This again, makes the concept of Time meaningless but for me doesn't cause any problems with faith in Holy Trinity.
 
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NightTwister said:
God could've made stars and planets AND the light between them. I just don't see a reason this scenario isn't possible, and it eliminates some problems with other ones.
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The problem with this is that interpretations of the Bible vary, but yes with God nothing is impossible, i fully realize that.
It's just that i have to deal with what i see first, that's all.
 
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tedincarolina said:
Why does the sun standing still in the sky mean that the earth is flat?
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The term 'heaven' can refer to the expanse of celestial space in which the planets abode or it can refer to the the firmament that covers the surface of the earth. Since the common usage of the term 'sky' refers to that firmament that covers the earth, then I simply accepted what you said at face valid, that the sun stool still in the midst of the earth's atmosphere
 
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Since the earth orbits the sun, it does not seem possible that earth would be the center. It would be better to look for a planet that all others rotate around.
Either way it's in the safe hands of our creator!
 
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BillyBob said:
Since the earth orbits the sun, it does not seem possible that earth would be the center. It would be better to look for a planet that all others rotate around.
Either way it's in the safe hands of our creator!
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When someone is raised on wine, they only want wine, not water.
 
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The Bible says that the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God for He is an omnipresent Spirit.

How can the Earth be the center of the universe when all things are the center of the universe for no matter the object it has the same amount of space around it for space keeps going with no end.

Earth same amount of space around it, Jupiter same thing, and all things the same thing.

All things have the same amount of space around them so everything is the center of the universe.
 
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montana123 said:
How can the Earth be the center of the universe when all things are the center of the universe for no matter the object it has the same amount of space around it for space keeps going with no end.
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So are you saying that celestial expanse is extending outward in perpetuity? I didn't think so. However, if the celestial expanse has no beginning then it wasn't created, all physical matter in the known and observed universe has a beginning of it physical existence and by nature is finite, even the celestial expanse.
 
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tedincarolina said:
Hey folks, just another beautiful day in the foothills of South Carolina and I was reading an article concerning new theories concerning the universe.

Studies by very, very great scientific minds have concluded that the universe is expanding outward. Can we theoretically reverse the expansion process on paper and bring it all back in to the place where it must have started if it is expanding. That, of course, depends on my very limited knowledge or ability to even discern knowledge on the matter. But it would seem that, much like the rings of a ripple when you drop a pebble in a body of water, if you could stop and theoretically reverse the travel of the ripple, you would find yourself at the place where the pebble went into the water.

If this theory is true, then where might any of you believe that following the expansion of the universe back to where, and even when, it began its expansion process, would leave us?

How Science Suggests God May Have Created the Universe (msn.com)

I think it's about the 9th panel in the article that discusses the expanding universe worked out by Georges Lemaître. That Einstein chastised himself for holding to the static universe theory for which he had created a constant. Pretty amazing stuff when you read of supposed scientific theories that could support the story that God has told us. And they print it right out in the open for everyone to read. God can do the impossible my brothers and sisters.

God bless,
Ted
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Right now the earth the the center of attention in God's universe....

In the future?

Our present universe will cease to exist.


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up."
2 Peter 3:10

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tedincarolina said:
Studies by very, very great scientific minds have concluded that the universe is expanding outward. Can we theoretically reverse the expansion process on paper and bring it all back in to the place where it must have started if it is expanding. That, of course, depends on my very limited knowledge or ability to even discern knowledge on the matter. But it would seem that, much like the rings of a ripple when you drop a pebble in a body of water, if you could stop and theoretically reverse the travel of the ripple, you would find yourself at the place where the pebble went into the water.

If this theory is true, then where might any of you believe that following the expansion of the universe back to where, and even when, it began its expansion process, would leave us?
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I don't believe the universe is expanding outward, but certainly, for those that do, the most obvious conclusion is that Earth is at the center of it. Why otherwise would all the galaxies be traveling away from it?

If you're asking questions like this, you might do well to look into Geocentricity. The Earth is actually flat, but Geocentrism is a useful first step from Heliocentrism for someone who believes that "very, very great scientific minds" are directing the accepted societal beliefs on astronomy.
 
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Moses_Young said:
I don't believe the universe is expanding outward, but certainly, for those that do, the most obvious conclusion is that Earth is at the center of it. Why otherwise would all the galaxies be traveling away from it?
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Actually, if the universe is expanding, then from any viewpoint within it, everything would appear to be moving away. Nothing about this indicates that the Earth is at the centre.
 
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Dino246 said:
Actually, if the universe is expanding, then from any viewpoint within it, everything would appear to be moving away. Nothing about this indicates that the Earth is at the centre.
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That would depend upon the shape of the celestial body of space and where the objects were situated within it. It could be just as likely that the two objects were moving in different directions without any change in the volume of the celestial space.
 
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Dino246 said:
Actually, if the universe is expanding, then from any viewpoint within it, everything would appear to be moving away. Nothing about this indicates that the Earth is at the centre.
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Hi @Dino246

I would agree. That's why I proposed that we reverse the expansion. If we reversed the expansion process, then at some point we will get back to where it all started. Could that be somewhere within our solar system or galaxy?

God bless,
Ted
 
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tedincarolina said:
Hi @Dino246

I would agree. That's why I proposed that we reverse the expansion. If we reversed the expansion process, then at some point we will get back to where it all started. Could that be somewhere within our solar system or galaxy?

God bless,
Ted
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Ted, according to the latest calculations the center of the universe is exactly at 10 meters, 25 centimeters and 6 millimeters away from your computer.
 
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Eli1 said:
Ted, according to the latest calculations the center of the universe is exactly at 10 meters, 25 centimeters and 6 millimeters away from your computer.
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You wrote the words but I'll take the blame for the thought.
 
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