MARK OF.....

That idea of an implant for identification is a very likely candidate for the mark.

Though we may have some way to go before that would be possible. I don't think
that many people in society would opt for an implant presently. There is really not
a good reason to consider an implant.

The world is not united and especially not these days. A mark could not be implemented
on a global scale.

There are also many countries internally divided not to mention very poor countries.

Obviously, a serious set of events would need to occur to facilitate the need for a
worldwide indentification mark.

The idea of a mark being some form of implant, or surface symbol of allegiance to
some leader. Is a very old idea that has been recycled constantly every decade for
fifty years, that I know of. The reality seems so far away at present but who knows
what can happen.

Unless you are forced to take it (see Revelation 13).

Correct, yet we do not have the circumstances in the world for that to occur.

I definitely can't see any sign of a powerful world leader at present.

Nor can I see that the world even needs a world leader now.

No one is even listening to anyone else.

The time is not right yet.

We saw with covid19, if you just brainwash the public with media and government officials and doctors. They WILL take the mark/vaccine/chip/whatever it is just to be able to go the pubs and concerts again.

With facial recognition technology as it is now, such things aren't necessary.

amen tbis part

“spiritual reality is a greater reality than that of the natural. The natural will pass away but many things in the spiritual are eternal and will never pass away.”

“At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”

The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:26-28‬ ‭NIV‬‬

everything we think we know as reality is going to be removed suddenly and the eternal things of Gods kingdom will remain


“He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.””
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:10-12‬ ‭NIV‬‬


Which is quoting this psalm

“In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭102:25-27‬ ‭

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”( he preached his eternal kingdom )
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:33‬ ‭NIV‬‬

The created physical things are going to be burned up and what is left the spiritual will remain. The kingdom of God is eternity this world is finite and fading fast

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Amen

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

…And as we have borne ( pat tense ) the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. ( future tense ) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:42-44, 49, 51-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the physical will be gone but what’s within the life in us will remain and be glorified into the image of God

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This form is like a pre requisite

Amen.

Judgement is not sentencing. Judgement is simply the revealing and the proclaiming of what is true.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

God will not judge this generation until a standard is established in the earth. For those who see Christ Jesus, the standard is already present. For those who are blind to Him, God will send a standard in the form of His Body. His Body will be an undeniable witness of the One by whose name they are called: Christ.

This is why judgment comes first to the House of God: so that our suffering is redeemed and so that there is a witness of the Truth of Christ in the world. And this is the value of the things the saints endure: that they become the radiance of the glory of their Father in Heaven.

"The Son is the radiance of God's glory..."

It is by our conduct that we judge anybody or angels: through His Body the Lord displays the rightness of His being and character.

"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels?"

“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? “

notice it doesn’t say “ obey not the law of Moses “ but instead obeys not the gospel “

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭

In the gospel Jesus teaches his disciples

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭

“For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:9-12‬ ‭

it’s not as if we’re going to be sitting in thrones judging people brother that’s not what those scriptures are talking about as if we’re the judges of everyone . Our judgement is to share the gospel because tbats gods judgements for all creation

as believers we can accept and repent and believe now his judgements and be saved but if we reject his judgements we’re doomed

The Bible refutes this fallacy (Rev 20:11-15):

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and [Hades] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Yeah. I think people imagine just that: sitting on thrones dispensing judgement. No. Not happening. We become the radiance of our Father's glory.

Your lack of understanding refutes wisdom from above.

Tell me you don't understand jurisprudence without saying you don't understand jurisprudence.

Let me help:

Judgement: "..and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works" and a little bit later: .." and they were judged every man according to their works"

Notice this: "And death and [Hades] were cast into the lake of fire." Death and Hades were already judged by Christ's resurrection. After Christ's ascension, He received the keys of Death and Hades. "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Christ's resurrection already proved Death and Hades to be lacking.

The sentencing follows the judgment:

Sentencing: "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire first. Why? To show the dead what happens to the dead. This is a witness to them who followed the ways of sin and of death. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

Really? How did you come up with this fallacy?

THE SAINTS SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD AND ALSO ANGELS
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? (1 Cor 6:2,3)

THE TWELVE APOSTLES SHALL JUDGE THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Mt 19:28; Lk 22:30)

How is it that Christians are presenting fallacies while contradicting Scripture?

And your lack of rightly dividing the Word boggles the mind. Read again what you wrote and compare it with what is actually in the Word. Personal attacks will get you nowhere.

No more than Paul did to Peter. Yet, you remain stiff-necked and bitter: always ready to condemn.

I certainly don't need your advice. You failed to address the fallacies and made another personal attack. As usual.

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I totally agree with your post

And this comes to fulfillemnt in Revealtion 22, when we shall see His face. Verse 4 continues with "and his name shall be in their foreheads"

It is amazing that people agree that this marking is symbolic of marking those who are Gods, yet when it comes to the mark of beast in Revelation 13 verse 16, where we read of a mark in the right hand and forehead, they take it literally, such as a barcode or microchip, marking those who belong to the worldy beast system that dominates the world.

In their forehead refers to our reasoning power, the way we think, our thoughts, that determine right and wrong etc. Here in Revelation 22, we see our thinking has become perfected, no more perverted by the worldly influences. Our thinking is Godly.

“Really? How did you come up with this fallacy?”

by accepting what the Bible says and. NOt calling it a fallacy for instance this

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And this

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and this

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And this

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and this

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭

and this

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

basically I read the Bible and understand “ the saints “ aren’t the general church and we aren’t taught to judge one another or other people basics really I just don’t call it fallacy but truth he gave because it was the end of thier covenant approaching his apostles this authority

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But the apostles aren’t us we’re taught that Jesus is everyone’s judge yours mine and thiers

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1, 5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s why I said what I said. Maybe you guys are selected judges who knows lol but not me I’ll trust the judge God gave me