Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

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Cameron143

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HeIsHere said:
He states he loves this nation, yet look who were his advisors in his administration, war mongers and men of dubious character.

My research is that both parties have been infiltrated and are compromised, and really corporations/military industrial complex runs the USA not the President and this is a well known fact... follow the money it is all there if one wants to take the time to follow the trail of connections.

I will state, I have tremendous respect for Thomas Massie who seems to be the one man of principle.

You can be hopeful, I do think we need more people who are, but I am a realist.
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Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. All the things that you see as problems are parts of Satan's works that have yet to be put under His feet. That God has chosen to work gradually through history to accomplish His purposes doesn't mean that God isn't in control and accomplishing in each generation all that He has purposed.
Be of good cheer. Jesus has overcome the world.
 
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HeIsHere said:
He states he loves this nation, yet look who were his advisors in his administration, war mongers and men of dubious character.

My research is that both parties have been infiltrated and are compromised, and really corporations/military industrial complex runs the USA not the President and this is a well known fact... follow the money it is all there if one wants to take the time to follow the trail of connections.

I will state, I have tremendous respect for Thomas Massie who seems to be the one man of principle.

You can be hopeful, I do think we need more people who are, but I am a realist.
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This is a good evaluation of the political reality in America. And God may well deal with this generation harshly. But God always has another generation that He blesses eventually.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. All the things that you see as problems are parts of Satan's works that have yet to be put under His feet. That God has chosen to work gradually through history to accomplish His purposes doesn't mean that God isn't in control and accomplishing in each generation all that He has purposed.
Be of good cheer. Jesus has overcome the world.
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Jesus has overcome the world in that we as believers are freed, this I think is individual not about the nations.
I think God has accomplished what wanted to accomplish directly in history culminating in the first century.
 
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No, you don't know what happened at all. No one was calling for the toleration of sin, or for any changes in church practices, doctrines, or beliefs.

It was that some folks suddenly refused to tolerate people who saw things differently. People who were previously very good friends, grew up together, raised their kids together, ran VBS together, etc. started calling each other names and attacked each other personally until they could no longer be in each others' presence.

And it had little to nothing to do with our actual faith.
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Why don't you get more specific and tell us exactly what issues were so dire that they thought division was the answer. Just saying "disagreement" or "looked at things different" could mean anything. Did they disagree on the color of carpet and divide? That's stupid. Was it a disagreement on allowing the homosexual lifestyle to be "okayed" by the church? that has more merit. But just coming here and giving a generic "oh you're just like my church, dividing for disagreements", is kind of a snake like tactic. What was the disagreement?
 
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My word was believe the Gospel, not understand.

God has allowed many civilizations to collapse and be destroyed... Rome destroyed Jerusalem and on and on.
I cannot agree with your God deterministic view of history to me that is illogical.
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I understand your position. Lots of people hold it. But surely you are not surprised that people disobey God.
And I never said my view of history was logical to men. Salvation through the death of God Himself isn't logical. Living by dying isn't logical. Gaining through loss isn't logical. You have accepted all kinds of illogic since you have been saved that you never would have understood apart from salvation and God enlightening your mind. I'll remain hopeful.
Either way, understanding the outworking of salvation isn't required to be saved.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Jesus has overcome the world in that we as believers are freed, this I think is individual not about the nations.
I think God has accomplished what wanted to accomplish directly in history culminating in the first century.
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So God isn't putting all things under Jesus feet? Jesus is content that Satan's action ruined His creation and He won't restore all things? I find that very hard to believe.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Jesus has overcome the world in that we as believers are freed, this I think is individual not about the nations.
I think God has accomplished what wanted to accomplish directly in history culminating in the first century.
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I do agree that God is not working in 1 particular nation. His kingdom is in every nation. Like a mustard seed, it started out very small, but, like leaven,is slowly growing and becoming a larger and larger part. The kingdom is growing unhindered...the gates of hell will not prevail against it. It will continue to grow until all things are put under His feet.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I understand your position. Lots of people hold it. But surely you are not surprised that people disobey God.
And I never said my view of history was logical to men. Salvation through the death of God Himself isn't logical. Living by dying isn't logical. Gaining through loss isn't logical. You have accepted all kinds of illogic since you have been saved that you never would have understood apart from salvation and God enlightening your mind. I'll remain hopeful.
Either way, understanding the outworking of salvation isn't required to be saved.
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God's goodness agree is not illogical, in the sense that there is a purpose which can be understood.

My point is that a deterministic view of God, one who also determines evil as well (not saying you teach this) makes no sense to me.
I see evil as wholly coming from man (along with the spiritual evil world) and in that sense God is not directly controlling/determining history.
 
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Jimbone said:
Why don't you get more specific and tell us exactly what issues were so dire that they thought division was the answer. Just saying "disagreement" or "looked at things different" could mean anything. Did they disagree on the color of carpet and divide? That's stupid. Was it a disagreement on allowing the homosexual lifestyle to be "okayed" by the church? that has more merit. But just coming here and giving a generic "oh you're just like my church, dividing for disagreements", is kind of a snake like tactic. What was the disagreement?
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Has it occurred to you that this person is hanging around here pulling our chain?
Maybe grooming and pumping and pimping?
 
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Cameron143 said:
I do agree that God is not working in 1 particular nation. His kingdom is in every nation. Like a mustard seed, it started out very small, but, like leaven,is slowly growing and becoming a larger and larger part. The kingdom is growing unhindered...the gates of hell will not prevail against it. It will continue to grow until all things are put under His feet.
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I hope so!!

What about demonic forces, in the non-futurist eschatology many teach Satan is presently bound, I have yet to really learn about this but I can see this as making sense according to the Bible/Revelation, I hope it is true.
 
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Cameron143 said:
So God isn't putting all things under Jesus feet? Jesus is content that Satan's action ruined His creation and He won't restore all things? I find that very hard to believe.
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I adamantly believe God will restore all things!
God wins!
 
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First of all, you'll have to show where I specifically encouraged people to vote Dem.

Second, by your reasoning one could also argue that by supporting Republicans, you're sanctioning the killing of women and children in the Middle East.

If there is a morally perfect political party in the US, I'd love to see it.
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Tap-dancing around it because you don't have the courage to clearly state what you believe and stand on it. Not even worth talking to a person like this. You're a democrat according to everything you defend and copy the exact way they approach anything. Accuse, accuse accuse, (project, project, project) never clearly state your positions, and deny, deny, deny, when confronted with the foolishness of you positions. What a joke. If you aren't being paid to spout that stuff here I'd be very surprised. Pointless engaging with you on anything. Spineless and empty of any substance. A democrat.
 
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Jimbone said:
Tap-dancing around it because you don't have the courage to clearly state what you believe and stand on it. Not even worth talking to a person like this. You're a democrat according to everything you defend and copy the exact way they approach anything. Accuse, accuse accuse, (project, project, project) never clearly state your positions, and deny, deny, deny, when confronted with the foolishness of you positions. What a joke. If you aren't being paid to spout that stuff here I'd be very surprised. Pointless engaging with you on anything. Spineless and empty of any substance. A democrat.
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Yup.
 
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HeIsHere said:
God's goodness agree is not illogical, in the sense that there is a purpose which can be understood.

My point is that a deterministic view of God, one who also determines evil as well (not saying you teach this) makes no sense to me.
I see evil as wholly coming from man (along with the spiritual evil world) and in that sense God is not directly controlling/determining history.
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Certainly you can agree that God must be at some level determining history. He chose when to create, didn't He? He chose who to create? He chose what should exist? He chose the means of salvation? He chooses when people are born? He sets the boundaries of their habitation?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Certainly you can agree that God must be at some level determining history. He chose when to create, didn't He? He chose who to create? He chose what should exist? He chose the means of salvation? He chooses when people are born? He sets the boundaries of their habitation?
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Yes at some level, yet none of us knows the full picture, we only have a very, very limited number of the puzzle pieces.
 
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On an unrelated note and since I am already on this thread.

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HeIsHere said:
I hope so!!

What about demonic forces, in the non-futurist eschatology many teach Satan is presently bound, I have yet to really learn about this but I can see this as making sense according to the Bible/Revelation, I hope it is true.
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In the sense you are thinking, He was bound at the cross. Shortly before the cross Jesus said in Luke 10:18 that He saw Satan fall from heaven. This makes sense as he is now bound to the earth and has no more access to heaven. It also makes sense because Jesus is soon to present His blood to the Father to cleanse heaven of the sin committed there.
The extent to which Satan is bound is a good topic for study. He certainly can't do as he pleases. And Christians are taught to flee immorality but resist the devil. This would be worth further study as well.
 
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