Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

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PennEd

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I don't mind talking about it or mentioning it.

I don't appreciate people lecturing and preaching at me about it when they have no idea what happened.
We know what you have told us.

Sounds from your description of events, and your posts here confirm, you were right smack dab in the middle of your Church’s demise.
 

JayBird

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You came on this site encouraging people to vote for Democrats. You know that Democrats support abortion. You have sanctioned the killing of children in the womb and even some outside the womb.

I'm trying to understand if you don't believe abortion is a sin or you know it is but take action to allow it to continue and encourage others to do the same.
First of all, you'll have to show where I specifically encouraged people to vote Dem.

Second, by your reasoning one could also argue that by supporting Republicans, you're sanctioning the killing of women and children in the Middle East.

If there is a morally perfect political party in the US, I'd love to see it.
 

JayBird

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I am kinda wondering what changes in the development of the baby after twenty four weeks for those who vote Republican?

They once had the moral ground on abortion, they do not anymore, amazing you are being accused of supporting abortion when their party is no different maybe even worse cause at least the Dems are consistent and transparent.
Good point. It's odd to say one is pro-life, while simultaneously denying hungry kids food.
 

Cameron143

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First of all, you'll have to show where I specifically encouraged people to vote Dem.

Second, by your reasoning one could also argue that by supporting Republicans, you're sanctioning the killing of women and children in the Middle East.

If there is a morally perfect political party in the US, I'd love to see it.
You're not being intellectually honest. Every position you have taken is against the Republican candidate.
Hamas is responsible for the killing of women and children in the Middle East. And fewer would be killed if Israel had been allowed to prosecute the war on its terms. To make me the moral equivalent of terrorists shows your moral compass is broken. And what has occurred has happened with Democrats in office. The Middle East was breaking out in peace while Trump was president. It is Democrats who allowed conditions for terrorists to prosper.
So back to the matter you are afraid to address: do you believe abortion is sin?
 

cv5

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We know what you have told us.

Sounds from your description of events, and your posts here confirm, you were right smack dab in the middle of your Church’s demise.
The whole story sounds like a tall tale to me. Meant to get us all weepy and stuff.

I am not buying it. Nor any other thing this poster pretends to be.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I am kinda wondering what changes in the development of the baby after twenty four weeks for those who vote Republican?

They once had the moral ground on abortion, they do not anymore, amazing you are being accused of supporting abortion when their party is no different maybe even worse cause at least the Dems are consistent and transparent.

At the DNC right now they are doing free abortions. And you think Republicans don't have the moral ground?? There is something very, very messed up in your mind if you believe that.
 

HeIsHere

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At the DNC right now they are doing free abortions. And you think Republicans don't have the moral ground?? There is something very, very messed up in your mind if you believe that.
I hate abortion, and I also against birth control as it is a known abortificient when a egg is fertilized, IVF often results in the destruction of unused embryos.

I also hate the Republican Party's new position on abortion along with the excessive amounts of money they receive to make sure they are loyal to certain foreign causes.

And btw many pro-lifers were extremely upset by Trumps "follow your heart" position.

And you know what else doubtful he can fix America.
 

Cameron143

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I hate abortion, and I also against birth control as it is a known abortificient when a egg is fertilized, IVF often results in the destruction of unused embryos.

I also hate the Republican Party's new position on abortion along with the excessive amounts of money they receive to make sure they are loyal to certain foreign causes.

And btw many pro-lifers were extremely upset by Trumps "follow your heart" position.

And you know what else doubtful he can fix America.
No one expects Trump to save America. Trump will put into place policies that will help all Americans. He did so before, and will again. He will also appoint judges who will follow the Constitution. Hopefully he will clean up the rot and corruption that has become a part of so many of the government agencies. If he does these things, Americans will have their lives bettered.
 

HeIsHere

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You're not being intellectually honest. Every position you have taken is against the Republican candidate.
Hamas is responsible for the killing of women and children in the Middle East. And fewer would be killed if Israel had been allowed to prosecute the war on its terms. To make me the moral equivalent of terrorists shows your moral compass is broken. And what has occurred has happened with Democrats in office. The Middle East was breaking out in peace while Trump was president. It is Democrats who allowed conditions for terrorists to prosper.
So back to the matter you are afraid to address: do you believe abortion is sin?
Sure.
Maybe go back and few years and see where this all started.
 

HeIsHere

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No one expects Trump to save America. Trump will put into place policies that will help all Americans. He did so before, and will again. He will also appoint judges who will follow the Constitution. Hopefully he will clean up the rot and corruption that has become a part of so many of the government agencies. If he does these things, Americans will have their lives bettered.
Trump will serve his masters and I did take note of the recent large donation he received.
 

JayBird

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You're not being intellectually honest.
Please stop the personal attacks.

Every position you have taken is against the Republican candidate.
Yes, that's because as a person who regularly voted for Republicans, I'm quite concerned where the party has turned the last several years.

I really want the Republicans to get back to being sensible.


Hamas is responsible for the killing of women and children in the Middle East. And fewer would be killed if Israel had been allowed to prosecute the war on its terms. To make me the moral equivalent of terrorists shows your moral compass is broken. And what has occurred has happened with Democrats in office. The Middle East was breaking out in peace while Trump was president. It is Democrats who allowed conditions for terrorists to prosper.
You missed my point entirely. Did you manage to find a morally perfect political party?


So back to the matter you are afraid to address: do you believe abortion is sin?
Why do you feel the need for purity tests, and who are you to conduct them? Do I get to grill you on your beliefs on every moral issue?

Knock it off, please.
 

HeIsHere

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Can't change the past; can deal with what is.
I hope so, but as you know from your studies, civilizations rise and fall and the indicators are from all I have studied the USA is a nation in decline, but maybe the decline can go a bit slower, I would be good with that.
 

cv5

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I hate abortion, and I also against birth control as it is a known abortificient when a egg is fertilized, IVF often results in the destruction of unused embryos.

I also hate the Republican Party's new position on abortion along with the excessive amounts of money they receive to make sure they are loyal to certain foreign causes.

And btw many pro-lifers were extremely upset by Trumps "follow your heart" position.

And you know what else doubtful he can fix America.
Personal and family matters? The government should not touch them with a 10 foot pole.

Just plain stupid and does not work.
 

cv5

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If I tell you I may not live to see another day. LOL just kidding.
I am pretty sure his recent huge donation is public.
The thing is Trump does not actually need anyone's money. Sure he might take it but he doesn't need it. Big difference.

He is a much safer bet all the way around.
 

HeIsHere

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Personal and family matters? The government should not touch them with a 10 foot pole.

Just plain stupid and does not work.
Some people think abortion is a personal matter up to the moment of delivery I do not.

And it should also be noted that population decline is a significant problem in many countries including USA, I wonder why.
 

HeIsHere

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The thing is Trump does not actually need anyone's money. Sure he might take it but he doesn't need it. Big difference.

He is a much safer bet all the way around.
He likes it... a lot!!! :D
 

Cameron143

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Please stop the personal attacks.


Yes, that's because as a person who regularly voted for Republicans, I'm quite concerned where the party has turned the last several years.

I really want the Republicans to get back to being sensible.



You missed my point entirely. Did you manage to find a morally perfect political party?



Why do you feel the need for purity tests, and who are you to conduct them? Do I get to grill you on your beliefs on every moral issue?

Knock it off, please.
Again, it's not personal for me. I didn't get offended when you made me the moral equivalent of a terrorist. And you are free to ask me about anything. I'll actually answer. And while there are no perfect people or parties, there are better policies and worse policies. And there are policies that promote biblical ideas and some that don't.

If your goal was to promote better Republican policy, you would have said so long before now. What you have done is promote a document as Republican policy that the Republican candidate isn't touting as his policy. We also have 4 years of his actual policies on record. So which of his actual policies that he has touted or implemented do you disagree with?