Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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Cameron143

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And don't forget, if you're not MAGA you're probably not really a Christian either. You're a supporter of Satan and everything unholy.
It's not about MAGA. It's about freedom. I don't care who someone votes for. But the incessant lies from uniformed people is ridiculous.
 

HeIsHere

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HeIsHere

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It's not about MAGA. It's about freedom. I don't care who someone votes for. But the incessant lies from uniformed people is ridiculous.
You have read over the legislation carefully and thoughtfully?
Remember when you stated the the IDF does not use indiscriminate bombing?
 

JayBird

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Lying about what was in the Senate bill that passed is not.
Are you accusing me of lying? By citing and quoting from a news article? Why would you do that?

The Senate bill codified open borders.
Quote the portion of the bill that would do that.

The bill the House passed shut down the border. By the time the Senate marked it up and passed it, it looked nothing like the bill they were sent. This is why the House voted against it. To come on this thread and lie about it is what trolls do.
No, you have your facts wrong. The Senate bill and the House bill were two entirely separate things. The House bill did not become the Senate bill. The development of the Senate bill was led by Republican Sen. James Lankford (OK).

https://www.lankford.senate.gov/new...ckage-with-huge-wins-for-securing-the-border/
 

JayBird

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I Forgot racist, lol, good catch!!

Tim Alberta has written a very thoughtful book on this problem.
Christians have allowed themselves to be polarized and they value Trump more than each other, very tragic.
What I can't figure out is.....why? What is it about Trump that has made some Christians like that?
 

HeIsHere

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It's not about MAGA. It's about freedom. I don't care who someone votes for. But the incessant lies from uniformed people is ridiculous.
I hate to tell you none of us is informed.
 

JayBird

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It's not about MAGA. It's about freedom.
Do you agree that people generally should be free to live as they see fit?

I don't care who someone votes for. But the incessant lies from uniformed people is ridiculous.
FYI, things don't become lies just because you declare them to be so.
 

HeIsHere

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What I can't figure out is.....why? What is it about Trump that has made some Christians like that?
Strong personalities like his cause opposite reactions, much like Mussolini if one is a student of history.

To me Trump is no more trustworthy than any other politician.
 

Cameron143

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Same ole thing, the Republicans spin it one way, Dems another and everybody ends up fight over it.
Calling each other Commies etc.,

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...-5000-people-to-illegally-enter-the-us-daily/

https://www.appropriations.senate.g..._national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

How about we spend the days it requires to pour over the documents and do the research, cause otherwise it is just opinions and no wonder we are where we are. :(
Do you believe Republicans wouldn't have signed a bill that closed the border?
 

HeIsHere

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What I can't figure out is.....why? What is it about Trump that has made some Christians like that?
All these issues are multi-faceted, I am sure with the population steadily imploding, the immigrants/migrants were necessary to keep the economy going.

Everybody likes their middle class lifestyle but would we be willing to close the boarders (if possible) and watch the economy implode?

I think not.
 

Cameron143

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Do you agree that people generally should be free to live as they see fit?


FYI, things don't become lies just because you declare them to be so.
More troll.
People are free to live as they like provided they don't impinge upon another's rights. So as they see fit is a bit broad.
I also believe those who swear to uphold the Constitution should do so.
If the border bill actually stopped illegal immigrants from entering the country, every Republican would have voted for it.
 

JayBird

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Strong personalities like his cause opposite reactions, much like Mussolini if one is a student of history.

To me Trump is no more trustworthy than any other politician.
Good point. I'm always hopeful that most Christians can rise above all of that.
 

JayBird

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C'mon, there's no need for name calling.

People are free to live as they like provided they don't impinge upon another's rights.
Great! We agree.

I also believe those who swear to uphold the Constitution should do so.
Again, we agree.

If the border bill actually stopped illegal immigrants from entering the country, every Republican would have voted for it.
Clearly you and I have a disagreement about what's in the bipartisan immigration reform bill. The good thing is, it's a publicly available document, so we can look for ourselves.

https://www.appropriations.senate.g..._national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

So let's keep our discussion focused on what's actually in the bill, ok? Can you start by showing where the bill calls for "open borders" as you claimed?
 

HeIsHere

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Good point. I'm always hopeful that most Christians can rise above all of that.
Sadly, while one would be hopeful with regards to Christians having a certain amount of immunity to being propagandized, I am beginning to have the opinion they are more susceptible.

Christians congregate into silo's and are reluctant to challenge themselves and their worldview, there is comfort in being within a group which affirms one's opinions, certainly it takes strength of character to question the group think.
 

JayBird

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Sadly, while one would be hopeful with regards to Christians having a certain amount of immunity to being propagandized, I am beginning to have the opinion they are more susceptible.

Christians congregate into silo's and are reluctant to challenge themselves and their worldview, there is comfort in being within a group which affirms one's opinions, certainly it takes strength of character to question the group think.
Sadly you may be right. It would explain why so many of our brethren fall victim to televangelists, faith healers, and prosperity preachers.
 

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Divergent thinking is not allowed, if you do think in a divergent manner, or perhaps question the prevailing pro Trump narrative you must be a Marxist, or a Fascist or a Communist, or an Anti-Semite .. or maybe even all of them at once. :eek:
I for one do not believe that everyone anti-Trump are necessarily of that ilk.
However, I am too much of a wise guy for me to ignore the patterns that I see in some of these posters.
And anyone brazen enough to deny the proclivities and manifest evidence of who and what Kamalatov, Walz and the rest of their crew really are takes the cake as far as I am concerned.

Good grief even Tedros is proven to be a hard-core hard left Marxist revolutionary nutter, beyond all refutation.
 

cv5

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C'mon, there's no need for name calling.


Great! We agree.


Again, we agree.


Clearly you and I have a disagreement about what's in the bipartisan immigration reform bill. The good thing is, it's a publicly available document, so we can look for ourselves.

https://www.appropriations.senate.g..._national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

So let's keep our discussion focused on what's actually in the bill, ok? Can you start by showing where the bill calls for "open borders" as you claimed?
Uhhhh look fella, new laws are not required to close a border. They could shut it all down tomorrow if they wanted to by the powers vested in the executive branch alone. And that person in charge of the paddock door would be king Ghidorah Kamalatov the border czar. Its all a political football, and an electioneering strategy that betrays criminal intent.

Venezuela Norte is the action plan. If they can steal the election. So rots of ruck and happy landings fella.