John 9: Why did Yeshua use Spit and Clay to Heal?

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Genez

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This is fascinating.
This teacher has uncovered a truth that I never saw before.

 

p_rehbein

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By using clay made from His saliva and the dust of the ground, Jesus was performing an act of re-creation. Just as God formed man from the dust, Jesus was restoring sight by combining earth and His divine essence.

Why did Jesus use spit to heal people? - BibleAsk
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Cameron143

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Jesus created everything. The Jews believed God created everything. Jesus, among all the things spoken about, was revealing Himself to be the God of creation.
 

Genez

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Jesus created everything. The Jews believed God created everything. Jesus, among all the things spoken about, was revealing Himself to be the God of creation.

The cost in those days for medical without insurance was making the healing forbidden.

So, Jesus took a homeopath way.
 

Aaron56

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Oh sure, when Jesus puts spit in someone’s eye people are all like “He’s such a loving Lord!” but when I do it they’re all like “Order in the court! Bailiff, put him in cuffs!”
 

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The messianic types always put out intriguing content; and I appreciate that a lot. But there is also usually something in their studies that brings out my inner inquisitor.

He says that the Pharisees knew that Joseph wasn't Jesus' father... but the bible doesn't really lead onto that. Moreover, wouldn't that lawfully make Jesus a "bastard" and therefore not allowed into the temple? Because he was definitely in the Temple. I'm having a hard time making sense of that.
 

Cameron143

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Yes!

To perform something miraculous, for Jesus?
Was for him being right at home(opath) . ;)
Funny, but there are no healing properties in spit or dirt. There are plenty of healing properties in Christ.
 

Cameron143

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Oh sure, when Jesus puts spit in someone’s eye people are all like “He’s such a loving Lord!” but when I do it they’re all like “Order in the court! Bailiff, put him in cuffs!”
Perhaps you should provide towels with your showers?
 

Nehemiah6

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He says that the Pharisees knew that Joseph wasn't Jesus' father...
On the contrary, the Jews in Nazareth
believed that Joseph was indeed the Father of Jesus: Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? (Mt 13:55,56) This belief may have extended to Jerusalem and Judea. And in any event, because Joseph knew the truth, he was "legally" the father of Christ. It is only when Jesus spoke f His Father in Heaven that the Pharisees objected, since that made Him equal with God. So they falsely accused Him of being a demon-possessed Samaritan.
 

Nehemiah6

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The cost in those days for medical without insurance was making the healing forbidden. So, Jesus took a homeopath way.
More silliness. Why did Jesus use spit and clay? There is no explanation given other than the fact the Christ did His miracles in all kinds of ways -- sometimes He touched a person, sometimes He spoke a word, sometimes He rebuked and commanded demons to depart, sometimes people simply touched His robe, sometimes He sent them to the priest and they were healed as they went. All this shows that God and Christ are not limited in any way.
 

Cameron143

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More silliness. Why did Jesus use spit and clay? There is no explanation given other than the fact the Christ did His miracles in all kinds of ways -- sometimes He touched a person, sometimes He spoke a word, sometimes He rebuked and commanded demons to depart, sometimes people simply touched His robe, sometimes He sent them to the priest and they were healed as they went. All this shows that God and Christ are not limited in any way.
The video was actually pretty good...worth the watch.
 

Genez

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The video was actually pretty good...worth the watch.

It works within a discipline of interpretation called, "isagogics."

Until one knows the details and history of what took place at the time of writing,
we will never truly understand certain passages in our day.

Its a rare and very good skill that some gifted teachers practice to the glory of God.
God has contained in Scripture certain passages that require isagogics before we can understand what was written.

It would be good to keep in mind with the next passage.
That Jesus is the Word - made flesh... John 1:14

Colossians 2:2-3​
My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love,
so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding,
in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ,
in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."

God has knowledge hidden from the surface reader as they read the Bible.
That demands that we find a good pastor teacher if they are ever to know fully what God requires of us.


grace and peace ...........
 

Genez

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More silliness. Why did Jesus use spit and clay? There is no explanation given other than the fact the Christ did His miracles in all kinds of ways -- sometimes He touched a person, sometimes He spoke a word, sometimes He rebuked and commanded demons to depart, sometimes people simply touched His robe, sometimes He sent them to the priest and they were healed as they went. All this shows that God and Christ are not limited in any way.

What else is silliness supposed to be? ;) I can be silly at times.
 

Cameron143

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It works within a discipline of interpretation called, "isagogics."

Until one knows the details and history of what took place at the time of writing,
we will never truly understand certain passages in our day.

Its a rare and very good skill that some gifted teachers practice to the glory of God.
God has contained in Scripture certain passages that require isagogics before we can understand what was written.

It would be good to keep in mind with the next passage.
That Jesus is the Word - made flesh... John 1:14

Colossians 2:2-3​
My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love,
so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding,
in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ,
in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."

God has knowledge hidden from the surface reader as they read the Bible.
That demands that we find a good pastor teacher if they are ever to know fully what God requires of us.


grace and peace ...........
There is a pastor in Charlotte, NC by the name of Donald Hubbard who often gives the Jewish perspective while preaching. Such preaching does give greater perspective and understanding.
 

Genez

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There is a pastor in Charlotte, NC by the name of Donald Hubbard who often gives the Jewish perspective while preaching. Such preaching does give greater perspective and understanding.
You have a web page?

When I searched his name and city, it only shows an obituary for a Pastor with his name.

https://www.glickfamilyfuneralhome.com/obituary/DrDonald-Hubbard

That him?

The older ones (a few) were more likely to use isagogics in their teaching.

grace and peace .......
 

Cameron143

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You have a web page?

When I searched his name and city, it only shows an obituary for a Pastor with his name.

https://www.glickfamilyfuneralhome.com/obituary/DrDonald-Hubbard

That him?

The older ones (a few) were more likely to use isagogics in their teaching.

grace and peace .......
I don't know if he has passed or not. When I travel around the Charlotte area I tune into 93.5 on the dial. Next time I travel there I'll get the station and broadcasting company for you.
 

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