Should Christians be allowed to own a gun legally?

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TheLearner

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Brazil
49,43722.7219.81%47,5103.37%21.93United States 37,04010.8414.85%13,0010.44%3.966Mexico 22,11917.108.87%20,5092.78%16.41India 14,7111.025.9%7,9770.08%0.571Colombia 13,17125.165.28%12,5965.1%26.361Venezuela 10,59936.064.25%9,3384.99%33.273Philippines 9,2687.783.71%9,0281.41%8.05Guatemala 5,98132.582.4%5,1655.45%29.06Nigeria 5,1032.232.05%3,4820.22%1.62Iraq 4,4249.511.77%2,6491.47%6.291Ethiopia 3,7122.861.49%2,2930.41%2.131South Africa 3,6105.921.45%2,9370.56%5.28Argentina 3,3097.181.33%1,7090.49%3.792Pakistan 2,9481.201.18%1,7210.11%0.77Thailand 2,8043.901.12%2,3510.47%3.35Russia 2,4801.720.99%1,1450.06%0.781El Salvador 2,31436.180.93%2,3015.72%36.78Turkey 2,2322.590.89%9670.21%1.19Kenya 2,0983.730.84%1,5330.52%3.05France 2,0973.230.84%2220.04%0.342Honduras 2,09219.440.84%1,9783.73%20.15Haiti 1,97516.640.79%1,2681.27%10.22Tanzania 1,6852.430.68%1,1590.33%2.04Bangladesh 1,5800.900.63%1,2350.15%0.78Dominican Republic 1,52513.340.61%1,2881.82%11.84DR Congo 1,3251.250.53%3820.07%0.44Somalia 1,3137.020.53%7830.42%3.851Ecuador 1,1276.130.45%9891.07%5.62China 1,1260.080.45%3340%0.02Uganda 1,1082.220.44%7990.33%1.94Mali 1,1054.600.44%8410.42%3.831Germany 1,0201.230.41%840.01%0.1Ivory Coast https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country
 

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It's a good thing that there are options. I've read about children home alone needing to fend off bad guys intent on harm. Those who are sensitive to muzzle blast may be better served with smaller calibers in order to hit their target, their food, their enemies to save lives of family members. Those politicians who have no problem eliminating tools like that from everyone but themselves talk about ammunition capacity like they have some sort of moral high ground. All it does is endangers those who need it for self defense.

As an adolescent/ young teen, my Mom ran to my room screaming. She was awaken by a strange man in the middle of the night. I grabbed my weapons of choice and told her to hold up in my room while I save my brother and clear the house. I had no confidence in the local police so I didn't even call their office.

I only had a single shot 410.
I also brought a small commemorative Pittsburgh Steelers baseball bat for the follow up shots when the high capacity assault weapon eventually runs dry.

I checked my brother first. He was still sleeping. Then I cleared the house room by room, closet by closet until returning to my bedroom.
Thank God, everyone was unharmed although Mom was shaken up. I found that the intruder broke in through the locked basement door. He escaped out the front door of the house because it was wide open.
My old neighborhood was dangerous. I was invited to move after as a child, I killed the 7th event of armed men invading our home. They also, paid for the move and new house.
 

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Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
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All Causes 2019 (#)

Brazil49,437United States37,040Mexico22,119India14,711Colombia13,171Venezuela10,599Philippines9,268Guatemala5,981Nigeria5,103Iraq4,424

Death (Homicides) per 100k residents in 2019
El Salvador 36.18
Venezuela 36.06
Guatemala 32.58
Colombia 25.16
United States Virgin Islands 23.46
Brazil 22.72
Puerto Rico 20.93
Bahamas 19.75
Belize 19.68
Honduras 19.44

Countries with the Highest Rates of Firearm-Related Suicide (per 100k) in 2019
Greenland 22
United States 6
Uruguay 4
Venezuela 3
Zimbabwe 3
Lesotho 2
Argentina 2
Montenegro 2
Serbia 2
Guinea Bissau 2
I'm surprised to see the Virgin Islands so high. They are mostly visited by tourists and I heard that the Islanders were stable these days. That said, I did warn my friend to exercise caution and get outta Dodge immediately if there's ever a political radicalization. There was a time in the 80s when the locals took machetes and killed all those they considered political enemies at the time. Good reason to have a firearm for self defense. Unfortunately, their laws are those of Washington DC on the US islands.
 

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My old neighborhood was dangerous. I was invited to move after as a child, I killed the 7th event of armed men invading our home. They also, paid for the move and new house.
You've seen more action as a young person than most soldiers.
Good for you! Glad we're talking now instead of those criminals continuing to destroy families.

Who were these invaders?
 

Genez

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Straight from the lips of our Lord Jesus....
Luke 11:21

“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are in peace."

And, with a little exegesis...


But if that strong man {ischuros - strong in wisdom and alertness}
has been completely armed {kathoplizo}, he guards {phulasso} his home.
Therefore, his possessions and loved ones remain undisturbed."
grace and peace .....
 

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how many people do you know can hit the side of barn from the range of 500 yards ???? lol
That's not the point. 500 yards would be too much for most no matter what round they were using.
 

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Straight from the lips of our Lord Jesus....
Luke 11:21

“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are in peace."
And, with a little exegesis...


But if that strong man {ischuros - strong in wisdom and alertness}
has been completely armed {kathoplizo}, he guards {phulasso} his home.
Therefore, his possessions and loved ones remain undisturbed."
grace and peace .....
"For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but divinely powerful toward the demolition of strongholds............."
 

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sword was the deadliest weapon in that day.
Only close up. Even a spear or javelin could be more dangerous than a sword. A spear was also much more useful against cavalry. Roman tactics included throwing javelins at the enemy troops then charging in behind the attack. It's much better to be harming your enemy while out of range of their weapons.

 

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That's not all you never had....
lol It was a bad joke.
But i've never owned a gun in my life actually. I have shot a few guns and never really enjoyed it but i enjoyed the company of the people i was with.
And that's my whole experience with guns.
I don't know anything about them, i don't want to, i'm very happy without them for close to 50 years of my life and i'm pretty sure i'm not going to need them in the future either unless some sci-fi scenario happens where i have to hunt my own food.
 

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I'm surprised to see the Virgin Islands so high. They are mostly visited by tourists and I heard that the Islanders were stable these days. That said, I did warn my friend to exercise caution and get outta Dodge immediately if there's ever a political radicalization. There was a time in the 80s when the locals took machetes and killed all those they considered political enemies at the time. Good reason to have a firearm for self defense. Unfortunately, their laws are those of Washington DC on the US islands.
I'm not. In places where people are not allowed to defend themselves, they're easy prey.
 

Genez

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"For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but divinely powerful toward the demolition of strongholds............."
Jesus was showing by example of a parallel we find in this life.

Read it again.
What was Jesus saying was a good thing?



But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. "
Luke 11:20-21​


Pacifists only see a fragmented Jesus.
 

Genez

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lol It was a bad joke.
But i've never owned a gun in my life actually. I have shot a few guns and never really enjoyed it but i enjoyed the company of the people i was with.
And that's my whole experience with guns.
I don't know anything about them, i don't want to, i'm very happy without them for close to 50 years of my life and i'm pretty sure i'm not going to need them in the future either unless some sci-fi scenario happens where i have to hunt my own food.
I always liked the idea of guns as a kid. Cap guns were fun.
In the army I enjoyed being trained..

But, I did not see a need to personally own a gun until the day I was held up at gun point.
Years earlier my dad had the same thing happen to him...

But, we were just like you until it happened.

50 years of your life?
I was not held up at gunpoint until about 60 years of my life.


“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. " Luke 11:21​

In case you are wondering?

Jesus Christ said those words.

And, meant it.
 

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I always liked the idea of guns as a kid. Cap guns were fun.
In the army I enjoyed being trained..

But, I did not see a need to personally own a gun until the day I was held up at gun point.
Years earlier my dad had the same thing happen to him...

But, we were just like you until it happened.

50 years of your life?
I was not held up at gunpoint until about 60 years of my life.


“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. " Luke 11:21​

In case you are wondering?

Jesus Christ said those words.

And, meant it.
I understand your point of view but i have a different approach.
For example in order to avoid being drown in water, i simply avoid water. Easy.
So, i simply avoid areas with guns and things have been working out fine so far.
We all make different choices in life friend.
 

Genez

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I understand your point of view but i have a different approach.
For example in order to avoid being drown in water, i simply avoid water. Easy.
So, i simply avoid areas with guns and things have been working out fine so far.
We all make different choices in life friend.
But..., don't deny the Lord's choice for others.

Is this true, or false?


“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. " Luke 11:21​
But if that strong man {ischuros - strong in wisdom and alertness}
has been completely armed {kathoplizo}, he guards {phulasso} his home.
Therefore, his possessions and loved ones remain undisturbed."
True? False?​
 

Genez

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I understand your point of view but i have a different approach.
For example in order to avoid being drown in water, i simply avoid water. Easy.
So, i simply avoid areas with guns and things have been working out fine so far.
We all make different choices in life friend.
Nobody else makes such choices. You're so special.
 

Eli1

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But..., don't deny the Lord's choice for others.

Is this true, or false?


“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. " Luke 11:21​
But if that strong man {ischuros - strong in wisdom and alertness}
has been completely armed {kathoplizo}, he guards {phulasso} his home.
Therefore, his possessions and loved ones remain undisturbed."
True? False?​
Oh course not. I don't deny the choice for others. Why would i do that?
In fact i mentioned that if i liked guns, i'd move to Texas.
But since i don't, then i picked Massachusetts.
 

Genez

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Oh course not. I don't deny the choice for others. Why would i do that?
In fact i mentioned that if i liked guns, i'd move to Texas.
But since i don't, then i picked Massachusetts.
I used to live in Lenox, about a mile and half from Tanglewood.