How should Christians view the Ukraine/Russia situation?

Biblically speaking, how should we view this situation? It is multifaceted and this problem certainly didn't start in 2022 as the media says, but way before it.

Multiple things to consider:

- Russia had no real legitimate reason to attack in 2022 (I dont believe their justifications about nazis and mistreatment is good enough for this type of war to be started)
- Ukraine is led by a globalist LGBT promoting EU puppet
- Russia is for the more 'traditional values' which is good
- Russia complains about how their people were treated poorly in east Ukrainebut my question is; if they dont like it, leave? Russia is across the border.
- Ukraine has a right to defend its land and its people
- Both nations have low fertility rates and old populations, this war will further destroy their demographics with young men dying, a ton of young men a ton of young women fleeing as well to party in other countries instead.

What are we to think of this mess? Are we to not pick a side at all, pray for both sides and remain neutral? Are we to support Ukraine in defending its territories? Are we to support Russia cause its more of a conservative nation?

What do you believe, why do you believe it, what do you believe the scriptures teach on this topic?

My view is similar to how I always view these things: Both sides are wicked, the whole world lies in wickedness and the kingdom of God is not of this world, we should pray for both sides and pray for peace. Thats my view.

Look at the history of how Russia has treated Ukraine. This is nothing new. Russia is a criminal enterprise with nukes masquerading as a nation-state. Putin believes all of Ukraine (and other countries) belong to Russia. He's trying to recreate the old Russian empire. They've gone back to the days of the Tsar.

Hey Hak.. you know we walk by faith not sight or how we feel. That being said I don't feel like diving into this haha. Well I personally don't believe were being told the full truth on both sides. I know all the money we gave to Ukraine most ..we have no clue where it went. On the outside looking in I can understand both sides. To make it simple Ukraine does not want any part of Russia and Russia does not want Ukraine part of the NATO. I wouldn't want that either. I am sure there is even more to this

But prayer? Oh yes amen for peace blah blah blah. . Yet a simple prayer will do nothing. These are forces that most believers never face nor know how to pray about. A simple prayer does nothing in this case.

Maybe one day if i feel inspired i can write an essay about Russia since i actually lived under the communist block during the cold war.

Russia is a criminal state that believes once a territory has ever been theirs it is always theirs.....they have been eyeballing Alaska as theirs as well despite having sold it to the USA. IOW they want it back....and if the USA ever becomes too weak they will take it back forcefully. Steal everything of value, and pretend it's their right to do so.

Ukraine is a filthy slob state that has been abused by Russia and the Soviet Union and Germany for decades.
Currently they have the morals of alley cats. They have been selling their children as sex slaves for years. The rest are farmers....getting by as best they could with very little in the way of infrastructure or farm equipment. Not exactly pillars of society either....

The place also mines uranium and has horrible conditions for miners as well as minors. Many die from diseases associated with mining uranium (radon gas exposure) Then theres the chemical, toxic waste that is everywhere there....from spent nuclear fuel rods to expired rocket fuel....all toxic.

So....they have gained a few nickels in spite of the Russian Oligarchs robbing them like some sort of italian crime boss would with "deals they can't refuse". They also have had illegal immigration from Russian propagandists. (While they operate their own propaganda networks available to purchase) The Russian propagandists went paid by Putin for one purpose....re-aquiring the territory, by voting irregularities and outspending all domestic leadership for democraticly elected positions.
Graft is a way of life there....it's nothing special to them.


These people are without hope of a future....no matter who is in charge.

Like this.

Don't you think this should be in the News forum, since there are no Scriptures related to this issue? Anyhow we should see this proxy war against Russia through Ukraine as meant to actually undermine the economy and military capability of the USA, and also an attempt to bring about WWIII in Europe.

So let's look at the historical facts.

1. Ukraine was always a part of the Russian empire, and later became a part of the Soviet Union.

2. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1999, Ukraine and many other satellite countries broke away. But Ukraine always had a Russian presence within it, and their cultures are very similar. They all are Slavic.

3. Vladimir Putin established himself as virtually "king" of Russia, and he had two ambitions: (1) to make Russia and Russians respected by the West, and (2) to re-annex the various satellites which had belonged to the Soviet Union. And the Russian Bear was always aggressive.

4. He targeted Crimea because of its location, and because he knew that Barack Obama was gutless, he went ahead and annexed Crimea. The West just sat back.

5. At that point the government of Ukraine had a duty to protect its territory from further Russian invasion. It could have easily formed a defense alliance with all the nations along the Western border of Russia, as well as the Scandinavian countries. they did not need NATO (North Atlantic Organization) since they were far away from the North Atlantic. But they all did nothing. So the blame must go to Ukraine.

6. Then Joe Biden came on the scene, and decided to attack Putin personally, and impose all kinds of useless sanctions on Russia (to make up for his own destruction of America). At the same time all the Western leaders were engaged in destroying their own countries, so they decided they needed a distraction for the ordinary citizens. Also the NATO generals were itching to prove themselves after they did nothing about Crimea. So the West chose Ukraine to wage a proxy war against Russia and poured billions of dollars and armaments into Ukraine/ Of course Zelensky found an excellent opportunity to enrich himself at the expense of Western taxpayers and his own people. He also had Neo-Nazis working for him.

7. Russia already had possession of predominantly Russian-speaking Donetsk and Luhansk. Russia would have been content to hold on to these without devastating the rest of Ukraine. But the West foolishly thought they could overcome Russia, but their war has failed miserably. Putin was willing to sign a peace deal right at the start, but Boris Johnson (with the West's approval) sabotaged the deal. More recently China offered an excellent peace proposal, but the West simply scoffed at it. In the meantime the NATO generals began their saber-rattling.

8. The West is itching for WWIII, but Putin has put everyone on notice. He will use nuclear weapons if he is threatened, and that is not an idle threat. He will also target the Western capitals and devastate them. So it is time for Ukraine, NAYO, and the West to back off and sign a peace deal. The Ukrainians are the ones who have suffered unnecessarily.

9. A lot of Americans are living in the past where Russia and Putin were the "black hats" and the American politicians were the "white hats". Those days are long gone and Biden is more evil than Putin. Putin wants o make Russia great again, while Biden (and now Kamala) want to utterly destroy it .

Finally someone gets is right.

We can also add that the Reagan demanded " tear down this wall" made promises and then reneged as they often do.

We are the Body of Christ are just passing through this world.

Israel and the Nations are another purpose of God`s, an earthly purpose. For us the war in the Ukraine is just a prelude to God turning Russia around and bringing them and the other nations with them, down to the mountains of Israel to be judged.

Then, the deceived West will receive a Moslem peace negotiator. He will eventually trick them and with his 10 kings of Islam, rule over the nations of the world, treading them down, an utterly terrifying beastly rule for a short time. Then God will judge them all.

Absolute rubbish.

Ukraine was always Ukraine. The land changed hands more times than Israel ever did in Biblical history. Because the Steppes were the gateway into Russia and the Black Sea. And are actually mentioned in scriptures Because this was the place that originated the slave revolts in the Roman Empire.

Again more lies straight out of Russian propaganda.

The countries did not break away. They were GIVEN AUTONOMY because the Soviet Union was defunct, broke, bankrupt and in heavy debt.

Ukraine is distinct from Russia with their own language. Always has had its own language. Even was the originator of the Slave Revolts in the Roman Empire.

No those are historical facts based upon actual news reports as well as the history of Russia. So I have nothing more to say to you.

No it wasn't which means that you are the one resorting to lies. Here is the information from Wikipedia, and we could probably go to Britannia and confirm this if necessary.

During the Great Northern War, Hetman Ivan Mazepa allied with Charles XII of Sweden in 1708. However, the Great Frost of 1709 greatly weakened the Swedish army. Following the Battle of Poltava later in 1709, there was a diminishment in Hetmanate power, culminating with the disestablishment of the Cossack Hetmanate in the 1760s and the destruction of the Zaporozhian Sich in the 1770s. Following the Partitions of Poland (1772–1795) and the Russian conquest of the Crimean Khanate, the Russian Empire and Habsburg Austria were in control of all the territories that constitute present-day Ukraine for over a hundred years. Ukrainian nationalism developed in the 19th century.

A chaotic period of warfare ensued after the Russian Revolutions of 1917, as well as a simultaneous war in the former Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria following the dissolution of the Habsburg monarchy after World War I. The Soviet–Ukrainian War (1917–1921) followed, in which the Bolshevik Red Army established control in late 1919.[6] The Ukrainian Bolsheviks, who had defeated the national government in Kiev, established the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which on 30 December 1922 became one of the founding republics of the Soviet Union. Initial Soviet policy on the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian culture made Ukrainian the official language of administration and schools.
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BRITANNICA
A fully independent Ukraine emerged only late in the 20th century, after long periods of successive domination by Poland-Lithuania, Russia, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (U.S.S.R.). Ukraine had experienced a brief period of independence in 1918–20, but portions of western Ukraine were ruled by Poland, Romania, and Czechoslovakia in the period between the two World Wars, and Ukraine thereafter became part of the Soviet Union as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (S.S.R.).

John and Nehemiah you are both correct on a lot of points by the way.
I also see that a new girl from Ukraine just joined which we can invite here if she’s willing to discuss her point of view but I doubt it.

You said:
So let's look at the historical facts.

1. "Ukraine was always a part of the Russian empire, and later became a part of the Soviet Union."

I reply:
"Totally untrue! Ukraine was founded in the 9th century AD by the Varagian (Viking!) Volodymyr. Russia wasn't founded till the 13-14 centuries by the Mongols & and some Finns. Ukraine had beautiful cathedrals, monasteries, schools and universities starting in the 9th to 11th centuries. The Rus Empire was centered on Kyiv, and lasted till the Mongols hordes swept over the Steppes. Ukrainians had their own language & writing system, called Cryllic, which was designed by Byzantine monks in the 8th century AD, who brought Christianity to Ukraine from Constantinople. When Volodymyr converted to Christianity he began a church building program and sent missionaries throughout the country to bring people to Christ. Moscow was empty forest, while Ukraine was the flowering of the Rus Empire, which was called after the original name for Ukrainians- Ruthenians.

Russia never actually owned western Ukrainian, but after the Rus empire broke up, Lithuanians to the north had several great empires, where they conquered both Ukraine & Poland. Later, the Polish ruled western Ukrainian, till after Polish Partition, when Austria ruled Ukraine and sent in many people to run Polish only schools, newspapers and businesses. Ukrainians were not treated well, unless you had Polish blood, which my family did.

Meanwhile, in Eastern Ukraine, Russia systematically suppressed Ukrainian language & culture. Ukrainian books & languages were not allowed in the east.

In the west, Poland was conquered by Austria-Hungry, and ruled it very lightly. When my grandfather came from western Ukraine, WWI started 4 years later. He was considered to be an Austrian citizen and had his passport stamped "enemy alien!" Many of his friends were put in a Canadian concentration camps, and died there. My grandfather ran a store & was considered to be essential services. After WWI, Russia attempted again to start a war to conquer Western Ukraine. However the Polish were given permission to rule Galacia, as it was called then, and they fought a war and defeated the Bolsheviks !

Stalin did rule Eastern Ukraine with violent, paranoid madness & stupidity. He collectivised the farms and 6-10 million Ukrainian peasants starved to death. This was a deliberate attempt to commit genocide of the Ukrainian people in the 1932-33. In 1937-38, Stalin wiped out all the high ranking Ukrainian communists, nearly 100,000 people.

Next, Ukraine became the Eastern front of WWII. Ukraine welcomed the Germans in the hope they would be better than Russia & Stalin. Although many Ukrainians were forced to fight with Russia. The Germans marched into various countries with their Einsatzgruppen with the sole purpose of killing Jews. Group 1 killed every single Jew in Lithuania. Group 2 killed 97% of the Jews in Belorussia, as it was called, and hundreds of thousands of Jews in Ukraine, Romania, Czech, etc. at the end of the war, Russia pushed hard to get to Berlin and claimed all the territory it's army was on, including Ukraine & Poland. That was the first time alll of Ukraine was under Russia rule, 1945.

Linguistically, if you compare Ukrainian & Russian, they are not the closest Slavic languages. Russian is closest to Bulgarian, & Belorussian. Ukrainian is closest to Polish. Most Poles & Ukrainians can communicate well in the west. Eastern Ukraine suffered from centuries of Russian suppression of Ukrainian policies being forced down its throat. Many Ukrainians are learning their own language after years of Russian policies of cultural genocide.

You said:
2. ""When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1999, Ukraine and many other satellite countries broke away. But Ukraine always had a Russian presence within it, and their cultures are very similar. They all are Slavic."

In fact, this shows incredible ignorance of the many faceted cultures of Eastern Europe. Russians aren't Slavs at all, coming from Mongols and Finns, although Russia deported many hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians to Siberia, most never returned home! Here is a record of Slavic language groups:

Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian - Eastern-slavic languages, Polish, Czech, Slovak - Western-Slavic languages, Bulgarian, Makedonian, Serb-Chorvat, Slovenian - Southern Slavic languages.

Russia has no more right to go into
Ukraine than it does Poland or Czechia, Slovenia or Bulgaria. No more right to destroy Ukrainian's unique culture than any other European country.

My advice is to read some actual history books and learn how ignorant you are. Here are some excellent, well researched, and primary researched.

"Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler & Stalin" by Timothy Snyder

"The Gates of Europe: A History of Ukraine" by Sergii Plokny

Watch the Yale History series on YouTube: "The History of Ukraine" by Timothy Snyder a Yake professor. This is a 24 episode series starting from the earliest beginning of Ukraine to the present, and how Ukraine is completely different from Russia- language, culture, philosophy, and religion.

I dare you to read or watch a series on the truth of Ukraine. I am half Ukrainian, I have family in Ukraine, cousins killed in the fighting. Russia has done terrible, imperialistic and very wrong move in trying to conquer Ukraine. I'm in many Ukrainian groups, and my people are unified that we will fight to death to
The last person!

Your other points are just dramatically and ignorantly wrong. After you have studied Ukraine seriously then you will see how wrong/simplistic/ignorant about Russia's unwarranted aggression against Ukraine you are!

As I stated in my OP I agree there was no legit reason to attack in 2022, while the conflict had already started way earlier than that, even if the russians were mistreated in Donetsk regions Putin could of just given the russian citizenship and told them to come on home to Mommy Russia. But this was just an excuse used to attack.

As to what you said about fighting till the last person, well, if Zelensky doesnt put on his reality goggles soon, more people will die unnecessarily. He has changed his tune as of late, talking about a referendum on if they should give out areas for the peace deal. The only problem I have with that is, I have a feeling its only going to be a temporary peace deal until Russia regroups and goes again, demanding more land.

@Angela53510 is Ukrainian....been one her whole life and is mature enough to have seen a lot of the history first hand.

I'll take her word on it. Especially because of the crowd of Slovakian people I've met in their country who corroborate her stories as well as the many historians.

People like Nehemiah are regurgitating rhetoric from propagandists. The same sort who illegally migrated to the Donetsk region to cause trouble (who later whine and Putin declares he needs to rescue because his people have been starting fights when the real residents ain't putting up with their nonsense)

Lies have zero limits....the truth stays the same and is highly nuanced. Sure the liars will take a nuance and blow it out of proportion....but that doesn't change the truth. And Putin's lies have been broadcast and called out by EVERYONE who does not spout propaganda.

In spite of your bitter rant (for a Christian!), all one has to to is look at a map of the Soviet Union and see that Ukraine was within the boundaries of the USSR, and Ukraine was one of the founding countries of the Soviet Union. As for everything else I have stated, all you have to do is examine the news reports outside the mainstream media to see it is the truth and facts.

The USSR
In 1922, Russia and Ukraine were two of the signatories to the founding document of the USSR. With its wide, sweeping, fertile plains, Ukraine would become known as the breadbasket of the Soviet Union, providing grain and food that made it an invaluable part of the USSR. That fact only made what happened next all the more shocking.
The History of Ukraine and Russia: From the Imperial Era to the USSR | History Hit

So there goes your rant. And Putin simply has to take this as his starting point. But you want to support the bogus proxy war of the West against Russia. Putin was not planning to annex the whole of Ukraine, but at this point he could easily do it. But he does not want that. Here is what he wants:

Vladimir Putin Offers Ceasefire Proposal to Permanently End War in Ukraine and Begin Negotiations… NATO – NOT Zelenskyy – Offers Response and REFUSES PROPOSAL!
Vladimir Putin Offers Ceasefire Proposal to Permanently End War in Ukraine and Begin Negotiations... NATO - NOT Zelenskyy - Offers Response and REFUSES PROPOSAL! | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

It is NATO which wants endless wars.

You should move to Russia....if you don't already live there.

I’m surprised no one has mentioned the support from Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church. Putin has been selling this war as a “holy war” to the Russian people since 2018 (-ish). With the support of Kirill (he’s like the Russian Orthodox Pope) Putin’s propaganda was given validity among the Russian people.

This is another layer of evil: murder in the name of God and Christ.