An open question for any and all who believe the US needs to officially become a Christian nation

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ResidentAlien

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What would be the outcome? Do you believe that if the US writes a new constitution and officially declares that we are now a Christian theocracy, God will pour out His Spirit and the whole country will repent and turn to Christ? I'm curious to hear how people envision this all playing out.
 
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I doubt this will happen because if the leftists haven't succeeded in changing the second amendment of the Constitution then it's going be be very unlikely that anyone else is going to change the Constitution to make the nation a Christian Theocracy.

But, if it does happen, as long as US doesn't become the equivalent of an Islamic Republic, then it's not a bad idea to counter-culture the current ideologies. Things will have to balance themselves out eventually.

History is exhausting. I wish God can come right now to end all the madness.
 
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Eli1 said:
I doubt this will happen because if the leftists haven't succeeded in changing the second amendment of the Constitution then it's going be be very unlikely that anyone else is going to change the Constitution to make the nation a Christian Theocracy.

But, if it does happen, as long as US doesn't become the equivalent of an Islamic Republic, then it's not a bad idea to counter-culture the current ideologies. Things will have to balance themselves out eventually.

History is exhausting. I wish God can come right now to end all the madness.
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Okay, thanks for your input.

To put a little more clarity on the question, I'm interested in hearing from folks who think it's a good idea and that it will succeed. A lot of people are gung-ho to officially make the US a Christian nation. To go to such lengths to make that happen there must be some payoff. Right? I'm just curious to hear what people think the advantages will be to the country and to the people.
 
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I'd be happy if the nation would just ensure my right to practice Christianity.
 
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Mem said:
I'd be happy if the nation would just ensure my right to practice Christianity.
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This right is guaranteed by the US Constitution, but it does not allow believers to oppress others.
 
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Mem said:
I'd be happy if the nation would just ensure my right to practice Christianity.
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Hi @Mem

Do you not live in the U.S. I know that here we can worship pretty much anyway that we like. Now, are there some people that might persecute believers, sure. I think that's a truth that can be found in the Scriptures. Jesus did tell us that we should rejoice when we are persecuted FOR HIS NAME'S SAKE. But as far as our government, there aren't any rest restrictions on whether or not one can worship the true and living God, the dead god of Islam or Hindus or whatever other religion.

So, if you do live here, then you must be happy.

God bless you,
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JaumeJ said:
This right is guaranteed by the US Constitution, but it does not allow believers to oppress others.
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Inclusive of the definitions of oppression is the subjection of one's ideology to another's moral philosophy. No one can 'make' anyone else believe in any particular philosophy, even if it has been established as the general rule without generating either pretenders or eliminating dissention. And historically, that has never resulted in much ultimate success, even if they think it were the 'ultimate solution.' In regard to the topic, the agenda being forwarded would be expected in a pushback to address the recent leaning toward a more Hellenistic moral philosophy and the oppression that it has produced. But the US Constitution is design to maintain a balance and so allows for the expression of such a pushback. Will it be successful? I mean, who'd have thought the lean toward a Hellenistic philosophy would come to fruition? Yet here it is. So, it's not as much as what anyone one thinks of it as much of the population think it is the 'right' thing, or at least the most 'needed.'
Ideally, the right thing would just happen 'naturally.' However, the right thing, exactly, doesn't come, not naturally.
 
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tedincarolina said:
Hi @Mem

Do you not live in the U.S. I know that here we can worship pretty much anyway that we like. Now, are there some people that might persecute believers, sure. I think that's a truth that can be found in the Scriptures. Jesus did tell us that we should rejoice when we are persecuted FOR HIS NAME'S SAKE. But as far as our government, there aren't any rest restrictions on whether or not one can worship the true and living God, the dead god of Islam or Hindus or whatever other religion.

So, if you do live here, then you must be happy.

God bless you,
Ted
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I haven't been beheaded yet so that's a bonus for sure! :D
 
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Mem said:
I haven't been beheaded yet so that's a bonus for sure! :D
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Hi @Mem

Well, here in the states we don't have that sort of persecution. Not from our government. Now again, are there people in your city, town, state, nation that would like to get you to stop... maybe. But once again, that's where you get really joyful, if you're following what Jesus has instructed you to do.

God bless,
Ted
 
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What I hear more and more in the US is that Christianity is "under attack." Of course it's not, not really; this is just fear talking. What this means, I've decided, is they think that because others have the same right to live their lives the way they choose as they do this is somehow an attack on them, their children or their values. Maybe people shouldn't see it so much as an attack on them and see it as an opportunity to show people grace and spread the gospel.
 
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It seems to me that many who claim to believe want all to pray on the street corners in a loud wail.

As a child I know when prayer in school was unconstitutional, which it is, I could pray whenever I wanted, but not in a look-at-me wail, no in secret, as taught by my beloved Lord Jesus Yeshua.
Perhaps as a child I was simply insane, perhaps I still am, but I sure am happy this way.
 
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JaumeJ said:
It seems to me that many who claim to believe want all to pray on the street corners in a loud wail.

As a child I know when prayer isn school was unconstitutional, which it is, I could pray whenever I wanted, but not in a look-at-me wail, not is secret, as taught by my beloved Lord Jesus Yeshiva.

Perhaps as a child I was simply insane, perhaps I still am, but I sure am happy this way.
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Hi @JaumeJ

True dat! Jesus said that when we pray that we should put ourselves away quietly in a room where our thoughts are not bombarded by a lot of outside events and goings on. Of course, that's the Ted paraphrase of the Sciptures.
 
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An absolutely a terrible idea, has this been thought through?

Who decides what "Christianity" is? In our 2000+ years of struggle we have still not answered that question.
What constitutes a "Christian"? How is it measured and what are the essential elements to make a "Christian"? Emersion? Living Water? Self confession? A particular list of denominational beliefs?

What will we do with those citizens who do not profess "Christianity"? Deportation, isolation in ghettos or camps. They will automatically become second class citizens, a short hop from abuse. Will they be allowed to vote? Maybe required to wear a patch on their coats?

Nor does this idea appear biblical. Yeshua rejected no one, feared no one, avoided no one because they had not professed faith in him. Instead he showed them His Truth. That is sufficient.

This idea is also contrary to history. During the short time there was one church, it quickly became evil and abusive and was broken up, I believe by God himself. When everyone begins to think alike He intercedes. Was this not the lesson of Babel?

This question misses an understanding of the founding, history and intent of this nation. We were founded on an unshakable faith in God however we define him. If we really have faith in God as we say, we need not exclude or restrict anyone.
 
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Seeker47 said:
An absolutely a terrible idea, has this been thought through?

Who decides what "Christianity" is? In our 2000+ years of struggle we have still not answered that question.
What constitutes a "Christian"? How is it measured and what are the essential elements to make a "Christian"? Emersion? Living Water? Self confession? A particular list of denominational beliefs?

What will we do with those citizens who do not profess "Christianity"? Deportation, isolation in ghettos or camps. They will automatically become second class citizens, a short hop from abuse. Will they be allowed to vote? Maybe required to wear a patch on their coats?

Nor does this idea appear biblical. Yeshua rejected no one, feared no one, avoided no one because they had not professed faith in him. Instead he showed them His Truth. That is sufficient.

This idea is also contrary to history. During the short time there was one church, it quickly became evil and abusive and was broken up, I believe by God himself. When everyone begins to think alike He intercedes. Was this not the lesson of Babel?

This question misses an understanding of the founding, history and intent of this nation. We were founded on an unshakable faith in God however we define him. If we really have faith in God as we say, we need not exclude or restrict anyone.
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But if the US commits itself to become a Christian nation, puts it in writing and starts passing laws that are based on God's word, won't that cause God to pour out His Spirit and lead to mass repentance and turning to Him?
 
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ResidentAlien said:
But if the US commits itself to become a Christian nation, puts it in writing and starts passing laws that are based on God's word, won't that cause God to pour out His Spirit and lead to mass repentance and turning to Him?
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There a vast difference between a Christian Theocracy (OP) and following God's word.
 
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Seeker47 said:
There a vast difference between a Christian Theocracy (OP) and following God's word.
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...and I wish with all my heart that this nation would turn and once again follow God's word!
 
Lynx

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Legislating a good relationship with God has never worked. Even God's own chosen people kept getting fed up with it.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
What would be the outcome? Do you believe that if the US writes a new constitution and officially declares that we are now a Christian theocracy, God will pour out His Spirit and the whole country will repent and turn to Christ? I'm curious to hear how people envision this all playing out.
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A stupid, strawman question.

Why am I not surprised.
 
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JaumeJ said:
This right is guaranteed by the US Constitution, but it does not allow believers to oppress others.
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What Christian believers have been “oppressing” who exactly?

The whole notion is absurd, and I believe just another leftist tactic to stir up people.

If anything, Christians are being oppressed. Are you at all familiar with what is being forcefully taught in government private schools, using Christian tax dollars?
 
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