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I'm not suggesting that man isn't alive naturally and doesn't have use of his faculties. Neither am I suggesting that the Christian life is not an interactive relationship between Christ and the believer. But fallen man is at enmity with God, walks contrary to His ways, and finds the gospel to be foolishness. In addition, Jesus says of the Christian that apart from Him they can do nothing. So I find it a fair question to ask how does one go from their fallen estate to a saved estate apart from Christ. What happens in and to an individual that the gospel that was once anathema is now good news? Did they just wake up one day and change all that was formerly true of them? Is that possible?

This answer by HeIsHere is pretty much it.

Does not add up to cannot believe, it it did God would not ask us to do it.

Easy Peasy.

Natural man does not have to overcome (presupposition).... the natural man is BORN with the moral ability when presented with the GOD's Spirit wrought power and truth in the Gospel message to respond in belief or deny.

Really? The gospel is not foolishness to him? He is not at enmity with God? He does not act contrary to God? When did he overcome his fallen estate?

Does not add up to cannot believe, it it did God would not ask us to do it.

Easy Peasy.

Jesus commands you to love one another as He has loved us. When did you ever do this apart from Him? As a Christian you cannot keep the commandments without Him. Yet, somehow unbelievers are capable of doing so apart from Him?

Is he BORN believing the Gospel is foolishness can you find that in scripture?

Can we just stay with soteriology please.

What of the need to be born again and be reconciled to God?
What need of reconciliation if nothing is broken to begin with?

Is he born believing? Then it is foolishness to him.

You introduced commands. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is a command.

In brief, the OP is somewhat of a genius, and it's a fun logic game.

Natural man does not have to overcome (presupposition).... the natural man is BORN with the moral ability when
presented with the GOD's Spirit wrought power and truth in the Gospel message to respond in belief or deny.

Ahh the old twisty..... lol,

... I stated he is not born UNABLE to believe. It is not possible to believe something until you have been told it, do better there Cameron.

Waiting for the scripture.

We are discussing the process of salvation, not the person after being saved.

It is not possible to believe something until you have been told it

Interesting post.

Yes the system does seem to inherent logical flaws, often the reason why people leave the system.

That is the scripture. All unbelievers believe the gospel to be foolish. It is a part of their fallen estate. One of many things that preclude their believing.

It's not a matter of understanding the gospel. They can understand the gospel message. In fact, they must first understand it to reject it. But because they are at enmity with God and walk contrary to His ways, it is always foolishness to him.

Well it seems to me leaving their system in favor of joining Christianity is actually the ideal outcome, but then we will depart from the OP topic too far into a whole other thread.