To love God and love each other.What is God's Sovereign LAW, not his commandments, His LAW?
Also, howdy and welcome to the forum.What is God's Sovereign LAW, not his commandments, His LAW?
I should come clean and see if you agree with me. I assume God's Sovereign LAW is the RIGHTS God gave us before Adam's creation. God gave us the RIGHT, which is God's Sovereign LAW, of doing anything, saying anything, thinking anything, and owning anything as long as those RIGHTS do not violate the RIGHTS of another.What is God's Sovereign LAW, not his commandments, His LAW?
That kind of thought triggers alarms in my mind when it is posed.I should come clean and see if you agree with me. I assume God's Sovereign LAW is the RIGHTS God gave us before Adam's creation. God gave us the RIGHT, which is God's Sovereign LAW, of doing anything, saying anything, thinking anything, and owning anything as long as those RIGHTS do not violate the RIGHTS of another.
Only posed for thought!
I should come clean and see if you agree with me. I assume God's Sovereign LAW is the RIGHTS God gave us before Adam's creation. God gave us the RIGHT, which is God's Sovereign LAW, of doing anything, saying anything, thinking anything, and owning anything as long as those RIGHTS do not violate the RIGHTS of another.
Only posed for thought!
What do you see as the significant distinction between "law" and "commandments"?What is God's Sovereign LAW, not his commandments, His LAW?
God's LAW is our God given RIGHTS. Ordinances, codecs, rules, etcetera are man-made not God given LAW/RIGHTS. Man-made rules are created to punish those that violate God's LAW, our RIGHTS. A commandment is very similar but very specific. Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet your neighbors wife, etcetera. If you follow God's LAW you need no commandments.What do you see as the significant distinction between "law" and "commandments"?
In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded without depart from it, so the Law of is the Law of God, which is why it spoken about as being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23.
I love your response. It does give me a different perspective on God's LAW for myself. I was focused more on the public servants who write ordinances to steal from those that do not violate a God given RIGHT.I agree in part. God's law, His natural law, precedes Adam. The bible says His law is evident in His creation. But any "Rights" God bestows are within the parameters of His law. Our freedom under the law is not restricted only by the rights of others. It is established by the Almighty Himself. Just an example, if I worship a false God I have not violated the rights of anyone else, but I have violated God's law.
I hope I have not misinterpreted any part of your post, I apologize if I did. (And it was thought provoking-Thanks for posting)
I think to best answer your ? I'd have to say that morality can't be defined by men. Once one knows that God given RIGHTS allow you to do, say, think, and own anything and if those RIGHTS exercised willfully interfere with other's RIGHTS then that is the GOLDEN RULE on steroids.That kind of thought triggers alarms in my mind when it is posed.
See, when I have heard people pose that thought, they almost always continue on to posit we should be allowed to do, say, think and own things that are either illegal or generally considered immoral.
Do you have something in particular in mind? Something you want to talk about that you think we should be allowed to do, say, think and/or own?
The 2 greatest commandments are the backbone of His LAW. No man can write a "law", ordinance, or commandment that violates God's LAW, our God given RIGHTS. Equating God's LAW, our RIGHTS with commandments is the difference of respecting your neighbors God given RIGHTS versus telling them to not covet your spouse.His law is his commandments.
The bible states his Torah (law) is written on the hearts of those who do not know the Torah.
With respect, those are His 2 greatest commandments. God's LAW like the trinity needs to be logically extrapolated from His divine words and the Holy Spirit. I do not mean any insult or disrespect with my responses. And howdy and thank you!To love God and love each other.
Jesus himself said everything else hangs on those. In other words if you follow those, you will follow all the rest of the law by extrapolation.
A lot of times "You should be able to do what you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else" is part of the argument people use when they are trying to legalize marijuana. Or justify sex outside of marriage. Or just about anything else they have been told they should not do.You'd have to elaborate on why that triggers alarms.
With your response in mind, you are correct in that God commands us to not have gay sex, do harm to the temples He gave us, etcetera, but each human has to overcome the evil that they don't want to do. We have to point to God's LAW and the 2 great commandments and let them come to know the Creator and His bestowed RIGHTS to truly know His LOVE.A lot of times "You should be able to do what you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else" is part of the argument people use when they are trying to legalize marijuana. Or justify sex outside of marriage. Or just about anything else they have been told they should not do.
So I was automatically both curious and wary about what you think we should be able to do.
I'd say the commandments are a subset of His LAW. He commands us to not steal, this is a subset of the LAW that we have a RIGHT to own. The God given LAW is the God given RIGHTS He bestows upon us before we were conceived. The LAW and commandments are a 2 sided coin. I just put the emphasis on the RIGHTS as then you don't need all of the commandments spelled out.His law is his commandments.
The bible states his Torah (law) is written on the hearts of those who do not know the Torah.
Hey @RodB651 someone's playing your song!Taxes must be voluntary or it is EXTORTION.