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maxwel

maxwel

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Nufan said:
Right, and that's why I'm not a Christian.I'm a follower of Christ.I've already made that clear, or at least try to be. Christianity doesn't have the same meaning as it did in the first and second century.To be a Christian back then, you were a follower for Christ, to be a Christian now you join a club and your part of a religion.That's why I don't identify as a christian.[/QUOTE


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To be clear, are you stating a follower of Christ cannot operate a business?

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Nufan

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Mem said:
It seems you've adopted a self-deprecating approach to love, is it a self-scourging sort of philosophy? One that leaves behind the love of oneself in trade for the love of one's brother, but something that everyone else needs to do.
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I don't know what you mean. That's the core teaching of the Bible, is that you need to lay your life down. The greatest form of love is to offer your life for a friend. You need to die to yourself daily. Everything I shared is scriptural. So either the Bible is projecting this? I mean, that's for you to decide. I'm not projecting it I can give you all the Bible quotes. There wasn't really anything I shared in that that wasn't from the bible. Except for the part where I was ranting.
 
Mem

Mem

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Nufan said:
I don't know what you mean. That's the core teaching of the Bible, is that you need to lay your life down. The greatest form of love is to offer your life for a friend. You need to die to yourself daily. Everything I shared is scriptural. So either the Bible is projecting this? I mean, that's for you to decide. I'm not projecting it I can give you all the Bible quotes. There wasn't really anything I shared in that that wasn't from the bible. Except for the part where I was ranting.
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It is debatable whether anyone reflects what the bible projects since extracting meaning from what is written necessarily requires an interpretation of the meaning of symbols into real world concepts. And my reply is offered to hurriedly to elaborate very much, since I have to go now. bbsol.
 
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Mem said:
It is debatable whether anyone reflects what the bible projects since extracting meaning from what is written necessarily requires an interpretation of the meaning of symbols into real world concepts. And my reply is offered to hurriedly to elaborate very much, since I have to go now. bbsol.
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Ok, bye.
 
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Karlon

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Nufan said:
What does it mean to believe?
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believe means you are convicted of a truth with absolute proof & it's acted on whenever possible. a visual scene is the most common proof but spiritually, belief in Good, Jesus & the Holy Spirit is most important. & we have that thru His Spirit. Romans 8:16, John 16:13 & John 14:26.
 
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maxwel said:
To clarify, you're stating now that it's fine for Christians to own or operate businesses?

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I believe you can own and operate a business as a Christian. But the question is, are you willing to give it up for Christ? That's really all it comes down to. If it's a hindrance and it's getting in your way then get rid of it. Put god first.
 
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Nufan

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Karlon said:
believe means you are convicted of a truth with absolute proof & it's acted on whenever possible. a visual scene is the most common proof but spiritually, belief in Good, Jesus & the Holy Spirit is most important. & we have that thru His Spirit. Romans 8:16, John 16:13 & John 14:26.
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That's pretty accurate.Look up the greek word for believe that's used in the bible.
 
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Nufan

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Karlon said:
believe means you are convicted of a truth with absolute proof & it's acted on whenever possible. a visual scene is the most common proof but spiritually, belief in Good, Jesus & the Holy Spirit is most important. & we have that thru His Spirit. Romans 8:16, John 16:13 & John 14:26.
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Accord.
In the Greek word, it also means reliability, which means unless you're considered to be reliable and dependable when it comes to your faith and serving God, then you do not believe. This must happen first. Now to have faith, one does not need to have credibility and reliability.It just means that you're convinced or you're persuaded.
 
Lynx

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Mem said:
Ah so, this is where Cynicism originated?
My psychology professor noted me as being stoic, but I wasn't sure how to receive that. But she also noted my opinion as 'astute,' so I'm taking it for another compliment. :cool:
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Nah. Stoics can be cynical and cynics can be stoic, but they are not requirements of each other.

In fact most of the cynics I know are definitely NOT stoic. On balance I'd say if you're a stoic that's a good thing.
 
Lynx

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Nufan said:
You should pray discern be well informed and think things through before you open your mouth.Yes you should. And i'm not lying because there is nothing lovely and praiseworthy coming from you right now. I know this is not who you truly are and I forgive you.
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Tsk tsk. Such indictments are bad for one's blood pressure.

And they are much more suitable for BDF (Bible Discussion Forum) than for here. Perhaps you spent so much time railing at people you disagreed with in BDF that you forgot how to discuss things calmly with rational people.

Also: Man, if I had a nickel for every time I heard someone use "I forgive you" in a derogatory, scathing manner...
 
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Nufan

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Lynx said:
Tsk tsk. Such indictments are bad for one's blood pressure.

And they are much more suitable for BDF (Bible Discussion Forum) than for here. Perhaps you spent so much time railing at people you disagreed with in BDF that you forgot how to discuss things calmly with rational people.

Also: Man, if I had a nickel for every time I heard someone use "I forgive you" in a derogatory, scathing manner...
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That's a very human response towards a human error, Christian.
 
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Nufan

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I'm not here to discuss anymore about what I've already discussed. I have shared the truth. I know, I'm sure what I have shared is true, and it lines up a scripture 100%. In Jesus' day. He dealt with the institutions. The same way I'm dealing with it, calling them out, bring it to the light. For those who are going to deny the truth and wish to remain in error, then Sodom and Gomorrah is nothing in comparison then what awaits you. I believe that a lot of you have done a great job at displaying why the message that I shared needed to be shared. God bless.
 
Magenta

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Nufan said:
I'm not here to discuss anymore about what I've already discussed. I have shared the truth. I know, I'm sure what I have shared is true, and it lines up a scripture 100%. In Jesus' day. He dealt with the institutions. The same way I'm dealing with it, calling them out, bring it to the light. For those who are going to deny the truth and wish to remain in error, then Sodom and Gomorrah is nothing in comparison then what awaits you. I believe that a lot of you have done a great job at displaying why the message that I shared needed to be shared. God bless.
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You may think it refreshing to have a newcomer (you according to post history) come in and tell us
how wrong we all are and broadbrush the church to be in error all over the place. Ho hum. Boring.
 
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Nufan

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FollowerofShiloh said:
The 325 AD Creed or the later revised one?
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325 was the first. The later one was to emphasize that the holy spirit proceeds from the father and the son thus causing the schism due to the eastern orthodox believing the son and spirit proceed from the Father.
 
FollowerofShiloh

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Nufan said:
325 was the first. The later one was to emphasize that the holy spirit proceeds from the father and the son thus causing the schism due to the eastern orthodox believing the son and spirit proceed from the Father.
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What do you think the 325 AD Creed implied about the Deity of God?
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
What do you think the 325 AD Creed implied about the Deity of God?
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It is the core foundation of every trinitarian faith that would call themselves Christian. Its specifically referring to the fact that Jesus was born of a Virgin. He suffered under pontius pilate . Christ died, was buried, rose from the dead, and ascended which is foretold by the prophets. That Christ sits at the right hand of the father. This is also to emphasize that there is a father son and Holy Spirit. That we all can be saved through Jesus Christ as our lord and Savior. This creed, was meant to unify the Christian people who were known a Catholic at the time which is universal faith. To give the people proper understanding of the core faith and its beliefs, and to provide them with essentially a guide, so they can have proper teaching and know how to follow christ.
 
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Nufan said:
It is the core foundation of every trinitarian faith that would call themselves Christian. Its specifically referring to the fact that Jesus was born of a Virgin. He suffered under pontius pilate . Christ died, was buried, rose from the dead, and ascended which is foretold by the prophets. That Christ sits at the right hand of the father. This is also to emphasize that there is a father son and Holy Spirit. That we all can be saved through Jesus Christ as our lord and Savior. This creed, was meant to unify the Christian people who were known a Catholic at the time which is universal faith. To give the people proper understanding of the core faith and its beliefs, and to provide them with essentially a guide, so they can have proper teaching and know how to follow christ.
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This 325 AD Creed also uses a terminology to signify something unique within God, they called it the [Same Essence]. What do you believe they were implying by saying God is the [Same Essence] between the Godhead?
 
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