Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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HeIsHere

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Maybe, i don't know. There's a lot of things that seem impossible, like how the hijackers grabbed many planes on a coordinated attack, but yet they did it and exploited certain weaknesses in security.
As far as Alex Jones goes, he has no heart and he is absolutely insane.
Watch the clip posted by @cv5, he goes through it very well.

https://x.com/Squawk55/status/1812651095287865834
 

ZNP

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Context, Context, Context

Look at the Mar A Lago raid case thrown out as being unconstitutional.

Look at the lawfare against Trump.

Look at two Impeachments of Trump to remove him from office, one that took place after Trump had already left office.

Look at three years of the Mueller investigation.

This assassination attempt is in the context of republic ending lawfare and in the context of the election turning into a sweep of all the states in the polls.

You have billionaires and super pacs screaming to replace Biden and Biden acting confident that they will win and then gives the word to put Trump into the bulls eye.

This is the context. You can't separate out the assassination attempt from all these other attacks. In that context anyone working on his security detail would be on the highest alert.

This guy was climbing on the roof, in plain sight, spotted by multiple witnesses screaming to the police and watched by the Security snipers for 40 seconds. Plenty of time to send a word to get Trump out of there.

Based on the context and everything that happened the simplest explanation was a palace coup. Especially when you understand the influence Biden has on his security detail.
 

Eli1

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Watch the clip posted by @cv5, he goes through it very well.

https://x.com/Squawk55/status/1812651095287865834
High level points:

* I am not an experts on weapons or bodyguard security.
* He speaks about the Presidential security. Trump is not president. He is a candidate. What are the differences between a candidate security and the president? Do you know? Because i don't know. I'm not an expert on bodyguards.
* This guy wants his 5 minutes of fame.
* I AM an expert on computers though.
* This would be like me trying to get my 5 minutes of fame to point out when a project goes wrong while fully knowing that 1% of the project is unpredictable despite testing.
 

cv5

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Context, Context, Context

Look at the Mar A Lago raid case thrown out as being unconstitutional.

Look at the lawfare against Trump.

Look at two Impeachments of Trump to remove him from office, one that took place after Trump had already left office.

Look at three years of the Mueller investigation.

This assassination attempt is in the context of republic ending lawfare and in the context of the election turning into a sweep of all the states in the polls.

You have billionaires and super pacs screaming to replace Biden and Biden acting confident that they will win and then gives the word to put Trump into the bulls eye.

This is the context. You can't separate out the assassination attempt from all these other attacks. In that context anyone working on his security detail would be on the highest alert.

This guy was climbing on the roof, in plain sight, spotted by multiple witnesses screaming to the police and watched by the Security snipers for 40 seconds. Plenty of time to send a word to get Trump out of there.

Based on the context and everything that happened the simplest explanation was a palace coup. Especially when you understand the influence Biden has on his security detail.
Oooohh yea. Contingency plans yet to be revealed abound no doubt.

"You have billionaires and super pacs screaming to replace Biden and Biden acting confident that they will win and then gives the word to put Trump into the bulls eye."
 

ZNP

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High level points:

* I am not an experts on weapons or bodyguard security.
* He speaks about the Presidential security. Trump is not president. He is a candidate. What are the differences between a candidate security and the president? Do you know? Because i don't know. I'm not an expert on bodyguards.
* This guy wants his 5 minutes of fame.
* I AM an expert on computers though.
* This would be like me trying to get my 5 minutes of fame to point out when a project goes wrong while fully knowing that 1% of the project is unpredictable despite testing.
This is not one project going wrong. One project was to screen the perimeter and keep out people with guns. He got through with a rifle.

Another project is to watch the crowd for anything that would be suspicious and warn the detail guarding the president. We have many witnesses who saw the guy with the gun shouting at the cops as well as cops seeing him on the roof. Why wasn't the security detail rushing the platform before he got a shot off?

A third project is the snipers whose job is to stop a threat like a man on a roof with a rifle only 140 yards from the president. They were watching him for 40 seconds and didn't send a warning or shoot him. Instead 8 shots were fired, killing a spectator and hitting the president.

So then the odds of all three going bad are 1%x1%x1% = .01x.01x.01.

So the odds that this was a plot carried out by the deep state is 99.9999% and the odds that it was just an unpredictable project is 0.0001%
 

cv5

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Trump as messiah figure and all that too.
Yup. Thats why I am no more than interested observer.

Nobody knows the outcome of all of this good or bad.

Which is why I am not taking sides in any worldly arena, certainly as regards political figures.
 

HeIsHere

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High level points:

* I am not an experts on weapons or bodyguard security.
* He speaks about the Presidential security. Trump is not president. He is a candidate. What are the differences between a candidate security and the president? Do you know? Because i don't know. I'm not an expert on bodyguards.
* This guy wants his 5 minutes of fame.
* I AM an expert on computers though.
* This would be like me trying to get my 5 minutes of fame to point out when a project goes wrong while fully knowing that 1% of the project is unpredictable despite testing.
He receives security because his is a former President.
When he becomes the official candidate his security detail increases.
Yup some people do want their five minutes of fame.

I guess we each can decide whether this is a random act or there was an intentional gap considering how vilified Trump is and how corrupt the law enforcement is, I do not think it is that hard to buy people off or have them stand down even for a few minutes.
 

HeIsHere

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Yup. Thats why I am no more than interested observer.

Nobody knows the outcome of all of this good or bad.

Which is why I am not taking sides in any worldly arena, certainly as regards political figures.
Fair enough, however we should still work to expose corruption and evil, it is one of the ways to be salt and light.
 

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This is not one project going wrong. One project was to screen the perimeter and keep out people with guns. He got through with a rifle.

Another project is to watch the crowd for anything that would be suspicious and warn the detail guarding the president. We have many witnesses who saw the guy with the gun shouting at the cops as well as cops seeing him on the roof. Why wasn't the security detail rushing the platform before he got a shot off?

A third project is the snipers whose job is to stop a threat like a man on a roof with a rifle only 140 yards from the president. They were watching him for 40 seconds and didn't send a warning or shoot him. Instead 8 shots were fired, killing a spectator and hitting the president.

So then the odds of all three going bad are 1%x1%x1% = .01x.01x.01.

So the odds that this was a plot carried out by the deep state is 99.9999% and the odds that it was just an unpredictable project is 0.0001%
* No one can watch a crowd of thousands of people for sudden movements and them reaching for a gun. It's impossible.
* When folks with ARs are perceived as "patriots" by the gun-loving republican crowd, folks tend to stand down a bit. Remember Kyle Rittenhouse? He was walking by with his AR while the tactical team was basically giving him a "thumbs up".
* Then when the chaos happens, people are unprepared and wait after 8 shots to return fire.
 

ZNP

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Oooohh yea. Contingency plans yet to be revealed abound no doubt.

"You have billionaires and super pacs screaming to replace Biden and Biden acting confident that they will win and then gives the word to put Trump into the bulls eye."
I heard a statement read by Joe Biden this morning. In my opinion everything he said was right, I have no issue with anything he said and am glad he said it. The issue I do have is with what he didn't say. He made it sound like he is the statesman and all the Americans need to simmer down in their rhetoric. Why didn't he begin by confessing that he himself is guilty of rhetoric that is inflammatory? Why didn't he apologize for using the term "bulls eye" or for calling 75 million Americans domestic terrorists? Why didn't he call out reporters by name from CNN and MSNBC for using inflammatory terms like Nazi and Hitler to describe Trump?

Trump was vilified for saying that there were good people on both sides of the debate about tearing down statues. They accused Trump for saying something that he clearly did not say which is that the KKK are good people. Yet Biden is not vilified for things that he did say? Joy Reid, Morning Joe, and a host of others get a pass?
 

Eli1

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He receives security because his is a former President.
When he becomes the official candidate his security detail increases.
Yup some people do want their five minutes of fame.

I guess we each can decide whether this is a random act or there was an intentional gap considering how vilified Trump is and how corrupt the law enforcement is, I do not think it is that hard to buy people off or have them stand down even for a few minutes.
Trump was going to win after his last debate with Biden but this act solidifies his position as an important man in history. Later we will know if it's for good or bad.
The fact that they are going after him with courts and media does not make their case better, but makes it worse because they are making him a martyr.
 

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* No one can watch a crowd of thousands of people for sudden movements and them reaching for a gun. It's impossible.
* When folks with ARs are perceived as "patriots" by the gun-loving republican crowd, folks tend to stand down a bit. Remember Kyle Rittenhouse? He was walking by with his AR while the tactical team was basically giving him a "thumbs up".
* Then when the chaos happens, people are unprepared and wait after 8 shots to return fire.
What are you talking about? Did you even pay any attention to the facts? It is a rooftop, a man is crawling on the rooftop with a rifle. If you look at an overhead photo it appears to be the only rooftop near the rally where the Snipers are not on. People are shouting to the Police. The police climb up the roof to talk to him. We know that the snipers were watching him through binoculars for 40 seconds.

Your comments only make people stupid they don't help anyone to understand what really happened.

Also you are completely wrong about not being able to watch a crowd. There has been great research done in the facial expressions of a person prior to attempting to assassinate a person. That is what many trained professionals will be looking at. You are obviously not trained in this area and don't know what you are talking about.
 

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Trump was going to win after his last debate with Biden but this act solidifies his position as an important man in history. Later we will know if it's for good or bad.
The fact that they are going after him with courts and media does not make their case better, but makes it worse because they are making him a martyr.
Yes agree.

What can we talk about next, lol
 

Eli1

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What are you talking about? Did you even pay any attention to the facts? It is a rooftop, a man is crawling on the rooftop with a rifle. People are shouting to the Police. The police climb up the roof to talk to him. We know that the snipers were watching him through binoculars for 40 seconds.

Your comments only make people stupid they don't help anyone to understand what really happened.
I guess by facts you mean your perfect world where you do a lot of projects on paper and assume that's how they're gonna pan out in reality?
I'm answering to your points but you don't want to process those points.

It's okay, i just hope and pray that the country doesn't get any more radical then it is due to the internet.
That's how autistic people like Adam Lanza and Trump's shooter get their motivation. From extreme leftists on reddit.