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Jimbone said:
It's impossible because it doesn't line up with His word, my personal testimony just confirms this to me, and I proclaim the truth His Spirit guided me to. What makes your view more authoritative? Why do you act as if you are the authority and just get to "claim" that you're right? Because you posted proof text? You forgot a whole lot of text that says people are saved before they are baptized? Your argumentation is "I'm right, your testimony means nothing." While I actually agree that my personal experience has no authority and no one has to believe it. But I'm going to proclaim it when I hear anti-Christ teachings like you teach here.

"Obedience is needed for salvation."
NOPE you are a liar, and I can only conclude that you are not born again, because there's no way you can be transformed by His Spirit in truth, and be this far away from what's true. We can't be obedient or live in a pleasing way to God before we are born again. We are saved and THEN can be obedient, you claiming that we have to be obedient to be saved is a false works based salvation that is nothing but false and so far away from the Scripture you claim to hold to.


The scriptures are there. Its meaning is clear. Many Christians accept it.
Christians accept the WHOLE of scripture, not just a list of proof text that confirm one side while ignoring a ton of others that say the opposite. I honestly think you've provided your opinion and arrogance as an argument, as well as being completely dismissive of me in the most disrespectful way a Christian can be to another Christian. I don't expect anyone to accept what I say at face value, or at all really. I wouldn't want them to, but to just completely wave a person off who comes to you in Jesus name and says "this is what I testify as the truth of what God did in my life", as if it's nothing is a great insult. But only if it's another born again brother or sister, if they're still lost then it's not insulting at all. This is sadly where I'm at with you. If you haven't truly been spiritually resurrected by the power of God then you still feel it's up to your flesh to save you, as you're teaching here.

Please man you need to search yourself, as someone who thought I was saved 5 years before He saved me in truth, I plea with you to search yourself to see if you are truly spiritually alive and reconciled to God. If you think your obedience and baptism saved you, then you very well may not be saved. I'm sure you will wave this off too, but everything you are teaching here is wrong.
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"Christians accept the WHOLE of scripture, not just a list of proof text that confirm one side while ignoring a ton of others that say the opposite."

It "can not possibly be true"

These are your words in green and they are indictive of a closed mind. It seems your "personal testimony" is your standard.

"Christians accept the WHOLE of scripture, not just a list of proof text that confirm one side while ignoring a ton of others that say the opposite.

There are no "ton of others" verses that use faith alone. There are none.

Keep in mind you believe in Faith Alone Regeneration Theology not Faith Regeneration Theology.

There is no definitive verbiage in any verses used to defend Faith Alone Regeneration Theology.

None.

Your "personal testimony" has no more authority then mine.
 
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Lamar said:
Your comment is a rather indicative sign of a closed mind.

It "can not possibly be true"???

Obedience is needed for salvation.

The scriptures are there. Its meaning is clear. Many Christians accept it.

Yet it is impossible to be true???

Is it impossible because it does not line up to your testimony???
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I highlighted, what you said about obedience
What I see is:
Obedience is the by product of salvation given to the person in belief to God about the death, burial and resurrection of Son for them
Those born new by God in risen Son get the new life offered them, more abundantly as in John 10:10 last part of that scripture. The first part, "The Thief" is flesh emotion(s) controlling people. That assuredly did that to me, before seeing Born new by God in risen Son given me, free of charge.
Thanks
 
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homwardbound said:
I highlighted, what you said about obedience
What I see is:
Obedience is the by product of salvation given to the person in belief to God about the death, burial and resurrection of Son for them
Those born new by God in risen Son get the new life offered them, more abundantly as in John 10:10 last part of that scripture. The first part, "The Thief" is flesh emotion(s) controlling people. That assuredly did that to me, before seeing Born new by God in risen Son given me, free of charge.
Thanks
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I am sorry but I do not understand what you are saying.
 
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homwardbound said:
I highlighted, what you said about obedience
What I see is:
Obedience is the by product of salvation given to the person in belief to God about the death, burial and resurrection of Son for them
Those born new by God in risen Son get the new life offered them, more abundantly as in John 10:10 last part of that scripture. The first part, "The Thief" is flesh emotion(s) controlling people. That assuredly did that to me, before seeing Born new by God in risen Son given me, free of charge.
Thanks
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The big gift the Holy Spirit gives is the power to obey. There’s a big difference in Peter’s life before and after he received the Holy Spirit (in the upper room). Before, he had virtually no power to obey. After, he was a different person (Yeah, he was still a little flaky since Paul had to confront him) and had no recorded incidents of disobedience.
 
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Lamar said:
I am sorry but I do not understand what you are saying.
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To make a long explanation short
God seeks you to be willing to God to exchange your life for his risen life to live through you in love to all, as in
  1. 1 Corinthians 13:4
    Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. 1 Corinthians 13:8
    Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  3. 1 Corinthians 13:13
    And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
To further reveal, as only God can reveal this truth, trusting God will reveal this to you too, as long as you do not ask amiss, wanting to have it for your own self gain.

Obedience is not of the flesh person, (first birth). No flesh could ever please God but Son's, as stated in Hebrews 10.
Not one person, ever was here on earth as perfect before God. The Son in due time, Jesus came to earth in the flesh and blood, born of woman and not man, The Virgin Mary from the tribe of Judah, in the lineage of King David whom was the lineage of Noah, Seth, Adam

Regardless the point is, no flesh can please God, it matters not how hard anyone tries, anyone in sincerity will mess up at least one command and not do it and try to and get caught up in under Law, being choked to death over not able to do it, convinced they are not in, in unbelief God by Son did it for us all
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

This love of God given us, the people that not one of us deserve to get or have, ever, no matter how much good another might do better than another. (Luke 18:9-14)
My point is , I need God, I can not earn God, I do not always do right, but God does
The point is for us, me at least, to ask God for his life to live in place of our first birth of flesh and blood nature, that cannot please God (Rom 8:3)
Therefore, reckon self (First birth dead) to be alive to God in the risen Jesus for you, you, me and all that willingly believe God (Rom 6:1-12)
 
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Jimbone said:
No this false gospel you're spreading here is the abomination in this conversation. It's another CLEAR works based, with a sprinkle of legalism false gospel that fools people into believing they're saved when they're not. Make no mistake, this is false and you're deadly wrong.
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It's not me you're claiming to be wrong, but rather the word of God.

1 Peter 3:21

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 
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DJT_47 said:
It's not me you're claiming to be wrong, but rather the word of God.

1 Peter 3:21

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
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Romans 14:1-4

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14 Give a warm welcome to any brother who wants to join you, even though his faith is weak. Don’t criticize him for having different ideas from yours about what is right and wrong.[a] 2 For instance, don’t argue with him about whether or not to eat meat that has been offered to idols. You may believe there is no harm in this, but the faith of others is weaker; they think it is wrong and will go without any meat at all and eat vegetables rather than eat that kind of meat.3 Those who think it is all right to eat such meat must not look down on those who won’t. And if you are one of those who won’t, don’t find fault with those who do. For God has accepted them to be his children. 4 They are God’s servants, not yours. They are responsible to him, not to you. Let him tell them whether they are right or wrong. And God is able to make them do as they should.

God causes anyone to stand, to have to be water Baptized in not a command, it is a willingness, just as to believe God or not is at hand, then you have a friend relationship
Now that is love beyond understanding to me at least, that has caused me to want to understand and do as God says is best for me to do, nd that be love to all, now seeing it is only God that can get me or anyone to understand truth that kills error(s) and has and does and continues to, for me I see a continual growth as in Hebrews 5:12- Chapter 6
 
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Wansvic said:
No. It was not me.
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JBTN said:
“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.5.1.KJV

Once you believe you are already born again.

Notice the sequence given here:

“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1/eph.2.10.KJV

First we are created in Christ Jesus, then good works follow.
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Yes, all of that is true, but you are overlooking some things. The Bible speaks of DIFFERENT KINDS OF WORKS. There are “boastful” works spoken of in Eph. 2; there are the works of the old law Gal. 5:4; there are works of the flesh Gal. 5:19; there are the “good works” of which you speak, and there are WORKS OF GOD. The works of God are the commandments of God. I know this is true because John 6:28-29 calls FAITH a work of God. If “faith” is a work, so is “repentance” Luke 13:3 and “confession” Roman’s 10:9-10. And baptism Acts 2:38. A work of God originates with God not man. It is commanded by God like “faith”. These are a few of the works of God and the commandments of God that must be obeyed.
Burn1986 said:
Getting saved is the easiest thing in the Christian life, because you’re simply asking Jesus to come into your life. But it’s how you get everything else from God.
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Burn1986 said:
You pray “Jesus, forgive me of my sins. Come into my life and save me. I believe that You died on the cross for me and I want you to be Lord of my life. I surrender my life to you Jesus right now. I receive you. Thank you for saving me.”

If you have prayed this prayer please let us know. It’s important to find a church to go to and tell the pastor what you gave done. If you can’t, then write this prayer out and sign it and date it and save it. It’s important to follow up with water baptism as a symbol of what you’ve done.

Here’s some scripture references
Roman’s 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9-10, 13.
Revelation 3:20.
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Burn1986 said:
You pray “Jesus, forgive me of my sins. Come into my life and save me. I believe that You died on the cross for me and I want you to be Lord of my life. I surrender my life to you Jesus right now. I receive you. Thank you for saving me.”

If you have prayed this prayer please let us know. It’s important to find a church to go to and tell the pastor what you gave done. If you can’t, then write this prayer out and sign it and date it and save it. It’s important to follow up with water baptism as a symbol of what you’ve done.

Here’s some scripture references
Roman’s 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9-10, 13.
Revelation 3:20.
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No one in the New Testament was ever saved by saying a “sinner’s prayer.” Nor was anyone ever TOLD to say a prayer for salvation.

When the Jews asked Peter what they must do, he did NOT tell them to repeat the “sinner’s prayer” Acts 2:38. Even the jailer, when he asked what to do to be saved, was not told to pray. He was told to believe first because he was a Roman who probably had never heard of Jesus, then after he was taught the word of God, was baptized just like Jesus said in Mark 16:16.

You are teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. 2 John 9 says if you don’t abide in the “doctrine” of Christ, you don’t have God.
 
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Beckworth said:
Yes, all of that is true, but you are overlooking some things. The Bible speaks of DIFFERENT KINDS OF WORKS. There are “boastful” works spoken of in Eph. 2; there are the works of the old law Gal. 5:4; there are works of the flesh Gal. 5:19; there are the “good works” of which you speak, and there are WORKS OF GOD. The works of God are the commandments of God. I know this is true because John 6:28-29 calls FAITH a work of God. If “faith” is a work, so is “repentance” Luke 13:3 and “confession” Roman’s 10:9-10. And baptism Acts 2:38. A work of God originates with God not man. It is commanded by God like “faith”. These are a few of the works of God and the commandments of God that must be obeyed.



No one in the New Testament was ever saved by saying a “sinner’s prayer.” Nor was anyone ever TOLD to say a prayer for salvation.

When the Jews asked Peter what they must do, he did NOT tell them to repeat the “sinner’s prayer” Acts 2:38. Even the jailer, when he asked what to do to be saved, was not told to pray. He was told to believe first because he was a Roman who probably had never heard of Jesus, then after he was taught the word of God, was baptized just like Jesus said in Mark 16:16.

You are teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. 2 John 9 says if you don’t abide in the “doctrine” of Christ, you don’t have God.
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So what? Why are you so mad? Look, whether Hesus told Peter that, it doesn’t matter. He didn’t tell Peter to Baptize with the Holy Spirit either, but he and the other apostles did. Peter probably spoke in tongues too. Is speaking in tongues a work?
 
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Beckworth said:
Yes, all of that is true, but you are overlooking some things. The Bible speaks of DIFFERENT KINDS OF WORKS. There are “boastful” works spoken of in Eph. 2; there are the works of the old law Gal. 5:4; there are works of the flesh Gal. 5:19; there are the “good works” of which you speak, and there are WORKS OF GOD. The works of God are the commandments of God. I know this is true because John 6:28-29 calls FAITH a work of God. If “faith” is a work, so is “repentance” Luke 13:3 and “confession” Roman’s 10:9-10. And baptism Acts 2:38. A work of God originates with God not man. It is commanded by God like “faith”. These are a few of the works of God and the commandments of God that must be obeyed.



No one in the New Testament was ever saved by saying a “sinner’s prayer.” Nor was anyone ever TOLD to say a prayer for salvation.

When the Jews asked Peter what they must do, he did NOT tell them to repeat the “sinner’s prayer” Acts 2:38. Even the jailer, when he asked what to do to be saved, was not told to pray. He was told to believe first because he was a Roman who probably had never heard of Jesus, then after he was taught the word of God, was baptized just like Jesus said in Mark 16:16.

You are teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. 2 John 9 says if you don’t abide in the “doctrine” of Christ, you don’t have God.
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So when you’ve got a friend and you’re talking with them and start sensing a need to share Jesus with them, what do YOU do? Or you’re at church, and someone asks you how to get saved, what do you tell them?
 
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Burn1986 said:
So what? Why are you so mad? Look, whether Hesus told Peter that, it doesn’t matter. He didn’t tell Peter to Baptize with the Holy Spirit either, but he and the other apostles did. Peter probably spoke in tongues too. Is speaking in tongues a work?
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Anything, that is a work of the flesh nature, is not of God at all
The first chosen proves this truth, got the Ten and made 316 more commands off the Ten. They could not do it, as proven throughout the First (Old) Testament
That be why, I think God took so long to bring in the New Covenant
Matthew 26:28
for this is my blood, sealing the new covenant. It is poured out to forgive the sins of multitudes.
1 Peter 2:9
But you are not like that, for you have been chosen by God himself—you are priests of the King, you are holy and pure, you are God’s very own—all this so that you may show to others how God called you out of the darkness into his wonderful light.
Hebrews 7:12-14
And when God sends a new kind of priest, his law must be changed to permit it. As we all know, Christ did not belong to the priest-tribe of Levi, but came from the tribe of Judah, which had not been chosen for priesthood; Moses had never given them that work.'
Hebrews 7:18
Yes, the old system of priesthood based on family lines was canceled because it didn’t work. It was weak and useless for saving people.
Hebrews 8:1
What we are saying is this: Christ, whose priesthoodwe have just described, is our High Priest and is in heaven at the place of greatest honor next to God himself.

Amazing, just add any have to's to anyone that chooses to believe God, and that person is put under Law by people's interpreting scriptures as have to or else attitudes. then in anyone, trying to do any Law given them to do, such as get water baptized, circumcised, go to Church or you not in, is of the first born nature of flesh and blood, that Jesus died only once for that to e dead. in order to be free


Romans 14:1-4

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14 Give a warm welcome to any brother who wants to join you, even though his faith is weak. Don’t criticize him for having different ideas from yours about what is right and wrong.[a] 2 For instance, don’t argue with him about whether or not to eat meat that has been offered to idols. You may believe there is no harm in this, but the faith of others is weaker; they think it is wrong and will go without any meat at all and eat vegetables rather than eat that kind of meat.3 Those who think it is all right to eat such meat must not look down on those who won’t.
And if you are one of those who won’t, don’t find fault with those who do. For God has accepted them to be his children. 4 They are God’s servants, not yours. They are responsible to him, not to you. Let him tell them whether they are right or wrong. And God is able to make them do as they should.

Why are we as people, trying to be in charge and claim we are with God, when God died once for all equally. Are we really listening to god or religions interpreting

Hebrews 10:10

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10 Under this new plan we have been forgiven and made clean by Christ’s dying for us once and for all.
 
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Beckworth said:
Did I misunderstand? I thought this was a public site where anyone can post.
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Still not sure how it answered what I said
And yea it is public. So we have to be more careful how we respond to words not directed to us
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Only a fool (pauls words not mine) would say we begin in the spirit but perfect in the flesh.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done (water baptism is a work of righteousness in which we do) But by HIS MERCY HE SAVED US, by the WASHING and RENEWAL of the HOLYSPIRIT

You want to commit blasphemy of the spirit. feel free.. But don;t call people who trust in God idiots!
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Are you labeling water baptism and repentance for the remission of sins as works of righteousness???
What twisted church do you call home?
How deep in a ditch does someone have to be in order to say such a thing?

Peter was demanding works of righteousness in Acts 2:38???
 
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Lamar said:
Are you labeling water baptism and repentance for the remission of sins as works
of righteousness???
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Repentance no, it’s ni a work it’s a change if
Mind
water baptism. If you’re doing it to be saved yes.
What twisted church do you call home?
How deep in a ditch does someone have to be in order to say such a thing?
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says someone who thinks water baptism replaces water baptism ?
i would Correct my own thinking before you accuse Someone else
Peter was demanding works of righteousness in Acts 2:38???
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You should also learn how to interpret
The word. Good luck saving yourself
 
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What is following God's will? Obeying all the commands? Or firstly...

Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 6:40 KJV - And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
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wattie said:
What is following God's will? Obeying all the commands? Or firstly...

Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 6:40 KJV - And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Believing on the Lord Jesus as risen where new life gets given from God Father of Son Jesus. Then one learns what true love is as in 1 Cor 13:4-7, sees verse 13 goes on forever
 
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When God gives you saving faith to love Him more than yourself, you get saved. "Faith comes by hearing". Read God's word, pray for saving faith, repent of any known sins in your life. 💕 Seek God for saving faith. "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you".
 
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myGodisbountiful said:
When God gives you saving faith to love Him more than yourself, you get saved. "Faith comes by hearing". Read God's word, pray for saving faith, repent of any known sins in your life. 💕 Seek God for saving faith. "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you".
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What do you mean by repent of any known sins?

If you mean behavioral reformation before salvation is given.. that's working for salvation.

Saving faith is believing on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Which is knowing you are a sinner in need of salvation and reponding to conviction on your soul by placing your faith in Jesus Christ who died and rose again and is God.

It isn't behavioural reform. That can only happen when your sin is forgiven. Then you are free from the law of sin and death. You are able to flee from sin by the Holy Spirit's power.
 
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