Mary Queen of Hearts and the Seven Swords

The Bible addresses heresy and false teachings in several passages. Here are some relevant verses:

1. 2 Peter 2:1 (KJV): “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
2. Galatians 1:6-7 (KJV): “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”
3. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 (KJV): “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
4. Hebrews 13:9 (KJV): “Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Again, not purely from the RCC, Orthodox also contain this, and if you follow sola scriptura this should be acceptable as well to mainstream protestantism. Mainstream protestantism is defined as accepting the essential christian doctrines (ie: trinity, birth-life-crucifixion-resurrection of Jesus, that the Bible serves as the backbone of all religious teachings.)




Indeed! This is part of the study of the episode and art as it displays the humanity of Mary and that's one of the goals of the topic One can easily see and understand and even empathize with Mary in a really human quality. When I say she has a human quality I am not meaning that she is potentially not human, what I am meaning is in literature and in artwork the humanity of characters sometimes gets lost in the medium. The Seven Swords of Sorrow that Mary undergoes show us and remind us of her essential humanity. Now this is moreso what I'm looking for in this study than the endless circle about protestants vs. catholics vs orthodox.








Well yes I mean they did start off as the Early CHurch I think everyone knows this. Though in our time today they are now distinct entities and thus why they are referred to as distinct entities.




I think you don't really know what heresy is. A heresy is a doctrine that is against the orthodoxy, in this case the orthodoxy is the Bible. In order to be a heresy none of this would be in the Bible or it would outright be in contradiction to the Bible. Since it is found in the Bible it is not a heresy, it is just merely a study into the Bible, albeit a more advanced study than the typical rumaging around the basics of Christianity since we already know these and accept the basics. As far as idolatry goes, all idols are understood to be false gods by their worshippers, this is what differentiates the golden calf from say the gold cherubim on the ark of the covenant. As such I would encourage you to not worship an idol and other gods since there is only one God whom is the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, not three gods, but one God in three persons.

At any rate I will conclude the study today and then we can descend into the various digressions and points that pretty much have nothing to do with the topic that some of you are trying to make.

Nope, in the you called mainstream Protestantism the topic theme playes no role.
The origin of your theme comes out of the RCC. Bible sola Scriptura nowhere called Mary a queen. Or gave her attributes for a queen. I dont know what is your goal with this topic.
You wrote in Post 39 that Mary become the mother of all christiandom. And here now you put yours or any other ideas into the scripture and leave sola Scriptura!

So again, a heresy is any doctrine that is contrary to the orthodoxy. The orthodoxy in Christianity is the Bible. In order for something to be a heresy in the context of Christianity it has to be clearly against the teachings of the Bible. For example, evolution is probably the most common heresy in our time because not only is this doctrine not found in the Bible, but it is in outright contradiction to the biblical account of creation by God. So therefore the topic of Mary Queen of Hearts and the Seven Swords of Sorrow is not heretical because it is derived solely from the Bible. What you are trying to do here is twist into the topic and make it about whatever your personal issues are with the Catholics, but frankly that has nothing to do with the topic at hand since anyone that believes in the Bible and believes in Christianity can enjoy the story and artwork and think about the subject at hand without being a Catholic. Use a little reason here; do the Catholics have a monopoly on Mary now? Absolutely not, she is the mother of all Christians.

The goal is already stated in the OP. What is your goal in trying to derail the topic? Sola scriptura means that it comes from the Bible that the Bible is the authority. The tale of Mary and the seven sorrows is in the Bible and this is the only place it is derived from. You are just simply incorrect about it coming out of Catholicism. Just because the Catholics observe it does not mean they made it, as explained before the Orthodox also contain this. The question you should ask yourself is; why would the mainstream Christian denominations contain this teaching? The answer is because it is in the Bible. My sense is that some of you just have hang ups about the Catholics, but I have no such hangups, if you want to talk about Catholicism, that's pretty much your problem not mine, go talk about it somewhere else.

Mary is the mother of Christendom because she is the mother of Christ.

Again, Mary as Queen of Hearts and the Seven Swords of Sorrow is an artistic theme. The theme of the artwork and the story comes from the Bible. These themes are taken from the Bible. While the Catholics as a mainstream Christian denomination observe it, they did not create it, just like they did not create Mary nor did they create the Bible. This is why the theme is found not just in the Catholics but also in the other mainstream Christian denominations like the Orthodox. The Orthodox did not create the theme either because again it is derived solely from the Bible. If you want to give the Catholics or the Orthodox a monopoly on Mary then that's your problem, not mine. Mary is the mother of Christendom because she is the mother of Christ. All Christians have a claim to Mary, the Catholics do not have a monopoly on Mary. If you want to talk about Catholicism you're talking to the wrong person basically in the very wrong topic. Move on or engage in the topic at hand. I'm not going to continue to be gracious with a bunch of bad faith actors, I will not repeat myself endlessly, any digression after this point will not be addressed.

Well my apologies to the serious Christians who engaged in this topic in good faith for digressing with the milk drinkers and the wolves in sheep's clothing. We will now continue and examine the 6th sword of sorrow and then finish with the 7th tonight before bed. The 6th sword of sorrow is Jesus death on the cross and him being taken off the cross. This is also a pretty obvious sorrow as not only did Mary have to watch her son suffer on the cross but now she has seen her son die which becomes a reality as the soldiers consider on breaking his legs but only find that he has already died. This also fulfills several prophecies. Much like in the 5th sorrow though there is some goodness here as well, just as in the 5th sorrow there is some goodness in that Jesus designates Mary as John's mother and thereby as mother of all faithful Christians, so too though it is sad that Jesus has to die for the evil we have committed when he has himself done nothing wrong, yet is there the promise of salvation as in his death he fulfills the messianic prophecies and becomes the appropriate sacrifice for the sins of humanity. And so Mary suffer her 6th sorrow for her faith in God and her overall goodness in giving all of us even into this day a great blessing in the person of Jesus Christ.



John 19:30-37

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

Thank you for harmonizing all the denominations.
God bless you.

Again the topic is not really meant to promote Catholicism nor to deride it, but is about Mary and the seven sorrows. There are other topics about Catholicism if that is what interests you and those would be more appropriate places to talk about Catholicism in, either for or against it. Since the general story of the seven sorrows is concluded now people can be more free range I suppose with the discussion, but keep it about Mary and the seven sorrows she had to undergo for her faith and the excellent Christian artwork in the theme of Mary Queen of Hearts and the Seven Swords.

you don't need to have a few sentences written in the bible to be able to test the power and spiritual gifts yourself, after praying the holy rosary

In the event there are readers who are not fully versed in the subject presented, this link is a Biblical reply suitable for those who drink milk as well as everyone else. It may even be informative to Jesuits.

Just a head's up, the guy in the link is a SDA pastor. Not judging, but people have a right to know where a Bible teacher is coming from.