Tonight's Presidential Debate

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iamsoandso

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We say the Left is delusional. But it appears the Left did the right thing by exposing Biden now so they can switch him out for someone the women and 30 and under crowd will vote in. It looks more like that the Right are the ones who are delusional. The Left played the Right and if they switch they will win and the Right seems to have not seen it coming at all.

Trumps locked in already and short of some unseen event,illness ect. that wont change.
 

Eli1

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Biden met with Elton John to improve optics.
I think he's going to win now.

Queer eye for the straight guy !!!
SLAM DUNK.
 

SonJudgment

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In the debate he was saying that he hadn't planned to run again but did to fix these things. So were you already decided to vote for him or did this change your mind(curious if he gained a vote or if he already had yours).
Indeed this is what I am alluding to. Some cynics both right and left might say oh well Trump is just putting on theater and acting altruistic, but really I believe even that is something of a delusion. I do believe Trump is motivated, at least in part, by what he perceives as America being lowered and that not only is it dangerous for America to be weak in foreign policy, but frankly for a man of status and power like Trump I can genuinely believe him and his statements like this that for him it's embarassing. Not only is Trump motivated by the pragmatic national security crises the democrats have caused but also for Trump I think keeping to his character that he takes it very personal because he did in truth play a strong hand in foreign policy. So I think in some ways its like Trump is motivated both to defend his legacy of his one term that is already in the books, but also I can easily believe that Trump is aiming to genuinely restore America on the world stage in a pragmatic fashion that is actually achievable.

As for my vote I have always voted for Jesus and if we deserve Jesus' mercy he will give us Trump. If we deserve his wrath then he will just continue to let the oppressor misrule us. May all the glory belong to Jesus either way.
 

SilverFox7

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They are wavering...
Biden will be lucky to come out of the Democrat's Caucus with the nomination.

Kennedy might actually take it. Then it's a whole new ballgame except that Kennedy can't win this time out. He's got a shot for 2028 but not this time.

Because a lot of things play into who wins...and very little has anything to do with policies and everything to do with back pocket politics.

Before Biden you went to the store with a pocket full of money and came home with a wheelbarrow load of bread. Now you go to the store with a wheelbarrow load of money and come home with a pocket full of bread.
Very well said, especially your last paragraph that hits the nail on the head.

I've taken a couple of years off from my professional career to work a couple of "blue collar" positions, and I can tell you firsthand that the middle economic classes are taking a big time hit like I've never seen in my lifetime.

Even with two good middle class incomes in our household, my wife and I have had to make some major cuts and even dip into reserves to break even at the end of the month. Many of my friends don't have that luxury and are drowning in debt.

Some are making out big like our fat government, but it certainly isn't the middle classes. We are taking a beating, and I've seen our grocery bill double since Biden has been in office.

We're done with "Bidenomics" and need conservative leadership in Washington to get this mess under control ASAP.
 
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It is hard to know, it is perplexing.

Facebook censored one of my posts because in the video that I shared it said the people were pulling “suitcases filled with ballots” out from under this table
Yep Misinformation CAN get you blocked from some sites saying that the election was stolen has been labeled misinformation OR to put It bluntly a L I E.
 

ZNP

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Yep Misinformation CAN get you blocked from some sites saying that the election was stolen has been labeled misinformation OR to put It bluntly a L I E.
The Supreme court ruled this week that you cannot label people who are protesting as having committed a felony of insurrection. So now will they label all the attacks about January 6th being an insurrection as "lies" and censor them?

And let's not think that Facebook was the arbiter of truth, Zuckerberg gave $400 million to the very people accused of election fraud, so will they recuse themselves from this? Of course not, but I certainly am not going to take the word of someone so transparently biased.

They recently found out, after 4 years of relentless pursuit of the answers, that there were 17,000 more votes in Pennsylvania during the 2020 election than there were ballots. So is it really a "lie" to wonder if they were scanning ballots two and three times?

The more you bloviate on this issue the less credibility you have and the more foolish you appear.
 

JohnDB

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Yep Misinformation CAN get you blocked from some sites saying that the election was stolen has been labeled misinformation OR to put It bluntly a L I E.
https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1806671958333153748


Follow the link....it's not a lie. And since it was in sufficient amounts in battle ground crossover states it was enough to eak out a victory for Biden.

If it weren't for the pandemic it wouldn't have been certified. Too many people were in quarantine or reducing exposure risks by staying home. Otherwise there would have been enough witnesses and proof to stop Pence from certifying the election.

As it was....Pence had nothing but rumor and zero evidence to rely upon. He had to certify it. No other choice in the matter. (Despite Trump's desires)
 

JohnDB

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Very well said, especially your last paragraph that hits the nail on the head.

I've taken a couple of years off from my professional career to work a couple of "blue collar" positions, and I can tell you firsthand that the middle economic classes are taking a big time hit like I've never seen in my lifetime.

Even with two good middle class incomes in our household, my wife and I have had to make some major cuts and even dip into reserves to break even at the end of the month. Many of my friends don't have that luxury and are drowning in debt.

Some are making out big like our fat government, but it certainly isn't the middle classes. We are taking a beating, and I've seen our grocery bill double since Biden has been in office.

We're done with "Bidenomics" and need conservative leadership in Washington to get this mess under control ASAP.
There is going to be some changes soon enough due to the overturned "Chevron Doctrine" allowing some new revenue sources to come into play.

And it just might help.

I'm A-Political to begin with. I don't believe that Trump is as bad or as great as people say....same with Biden. Both are politicians and that's synonymous with liars.

John Stossel has a commentary on the debate....Trump has his negatives. (Ego mostly, abusive and bully otherwise) And he lays out Bidens negatives too.
Neither is a great candidate. Both are horrible in their own ways. Both are transitory and gone in four years. (Thank God)

How do we get the manure back in the horse?
Dunno....but things have gotten so bad that even CNN did a truth telling on both candidates. (Hint: Both lied or exaggerated extensively).
 

Dude653

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There is no end to the evil attacks on Trump from the Left. It began well before 2016, and never stopped. Recently those attacks became even more virulent. And Jake Tapper should have been told to stay home. He hates Trump with a passion (as they all do) and has called him "Hitler" many times.

But do you think that the evil Democrats will let this go, and let Trump have the presidency? Not if you examine their track record. They will try every evil way to block Trump until there is actually a civil war and bloodshed on the streets. They want that happen.

And all of this could have been avoided had Mike Pence done what was right for America and for Trump. But then the Marines and Special Forces should have stepped up and arrested Biden and Harris for treason and election theft and fraud. These vaunted forces went all over the world "protecting" freedom and democracy, then refused to act when their own country was in extreme danger of a Bolshevik revolution. That is very sad and a serious indicted of these soldiers.
Yeah. The guy who tried to undermine our entire Democratic process by trying to overthrow an election that he lost fair and square
And has 34 felonies
He should have been charged with sedition also
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Yeah. The guy who tried to undermine our entire Democratic process by trying to overthrow an election that he lost fair and square
And has 34 felonies
He should have been charged with sedition also
DT had the legal right to challenge the election. How is exercising the right to point out his concerns considered an "overthrow?"
 

montana123

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People keep choosing sides with the presidents, but the top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are working together which is the Hegel System.

They set up 2 opposing forces and they harmonize them together which they believe is a better system than either side alone, and it brings the people together.

Trump will probably win so he can be used to convince the Republicans to accept things that will be compatible with the changes that will be made for they are the most stubborn.

Which he already tried to convince them to get the Covid shot, and that the microchip is a good way to stop crime.

Which when they go to a one world government they want to give the people a microchip to cut down on crime.

For they will know where they are at and can watch them, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the police force.

And all information about the person will be on the chip so no more losing records, or cards.

The American government wants the people to view the government as corrupt, incompetent leaders, terrible with handling the money, and doing a terrible job.

Because they want a change.

America and Russia have been working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces in the Hegel System.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the unified religious system a balance between atheist and spirituality, which they believe they are evolving to be spiritual, and their higher power the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.

Trump's daughter, and son in law follow the Kabbalah which is a mystic, occult, interpretation of the Bible, and they were both on his staff.

Trump does not care about Christianity in the truth as well as all the presidents in the past that said God bless you, and America, but it was to keep the Christians from raising a fuss that could put a damper in their plan.

So they kept them thinking they were on God's side, and America was a Christian nation.

Like America in Arab nations which was to keep them separated so they would not come together as one which could put a damper in their plan.

Saddam Hussein wanted to unite them and America was not having it.

It does not matter who is president for they are working together, and with the same plan.

But it makes more sense that Trump is the president so he can work on the stubborn Republicans to accept the changes that will be made and to convince them a one world government is the best thing to do seeing the current way the world has been going.
 

Nehemiah6

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Yeah. The guy who tried to undermine our entire Democratic process by trying to overthrow an election that he lost fair and square And has 34 felonies He should have been charged with sedition also
Your lying remarks are as pathetic as Joe "Lying Machine" Biden. The Left never quits lying.
 

cv5

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Yup that's what I am seeing......

James Woods

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The Gordian Knot strangling the Democrats at this moment is the original sin they committed to get Biden elected: Kamala Harris. They can’t dump an Indian/Black woman for a greasy white grifter (you-know-who) to replace Biden. They brought this nightmare to their own doorstep.
 

cv5

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Jim Rickards

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Now that Joe Biden is done, it's possible the War in Ukraine is done too. Some intel that U.S. is withdrawing surveillance assets from the battlespace. That makes it impossible for the Ukrainian neo-Nazis to launch missile and drone attacks on Russia. The beginning of the end.
 

ZNP

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Jim Rickards
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Now that Joe Biden is done, it's possible the War in Ukraine is done too. Some intel that U.S. is withdrawing surveillance assets from the battlespace. That makes it impossible for the Ukrainian neo-Nazis to launch missile and drone attacks on Russia. The beginning of the end.
That is another $160 billion well spent.