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How many times do we need to answer the OP.
“I’ve finished my time of roaming the Eastern Hills of Gershen dabi agal and after pondering by the plains of Klosheotlal I’ve realized that “Geocaching shlomgel” (translated to ‘swamp gas’) is needed for the final transformation of what the Book of Gaja (from 205BC) refers to as elevation within the astral parameters
“I’ve finished my time of roaming the Eastern Hills of Gershen dabi agal and after pondering by the plains of Klosheotlal I’ve realized that “Geocaching shlomgel” (translated to ‘swamp gas’) is needed for the final transformation of what the Book of Gaja (from 205BC) refers to as elevation within the astral parameters
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The Acts of the Apostles reveal the truth that applies to each and every individual living in the NT. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16) Attempts to muzzle their voices have been going on throughout the corridors of time. But most recently their message has become louder and louder. Why? Because God continues to reform His message of salvation that satan has used man to distort over time. A study of church history confirms this very truth.
Consider that Jesus prayed that all might be sanctified through the truth:
"...for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." John 17:19-21
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:31-32
The Acts of the Apostles reveal the truth that applies to each and every individual living in the NT. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16) Attempts to muzzle their voices have been going on throughout the corridors of time. But most recently their message has become louder and louder. Why? Because God continues to reform His message of salvation that satan has used man to distort over time. A study of church history confirms this very truth.
Consider that Jesus prayed that all might be sanctified through the truth:
"...for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." John 17:19-21
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:31-32
The word says otherwise:
"...Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles,
Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine ..." Acts 2:36-42
"...Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles,
Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine ..." Acts 2:36-42
How about this- I was born again before I was dunked in water. 100% born again, spirit resurrected and reconciled to His Spirit reborn. I testify this in Jesus name and to His glory. I was saved before being baptized and every day for the last 11 years He has kept me, HE has, I haven't been "good enough", He keeps me and HE gets ALL glory.
I testify in His name that I was not physically water baptized before I was born again. Are you going to say I'm not telling the Truth? I was saved before baptism, therefore I KNOW what you're teaching is false. Why do you want to teach falsehood in His name?
Can you not see how you're teaching a works based gospel? What part confuses you?
I testify in His name that I was not physically water baptized before I was born again. Are you going to say I'm not telling the Truth? I was saved before baptism, therefore I KNOW what you're teaching is false. Why do you want to teach falsehood in His name?
Can you not see how you're teaching a works based gospel? What part confuses you?
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I shared scripture. It reveals obedience to the gospel message is what results in the NT rebirth; our joining with Jesus.
A great analogy is seen in marriage: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/natural-and-spiritual-marriage-parallels.182003/
A great analogy is seen in marriage: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/natural-and-spiritual-marriage-parallels.182003/
Yea but others have been sharing a ton of scripture with you that points the other direction. Are you going to suddenly change your mind because I repost them? I'm just trying to talk to you like a brother and seek the truth. I understand what makes you believe what you're saying. I get it. What I'm trying to share with you is that what you're saying can not possibly be true. Just like you think we are ignoring His clear word and just not seeing the truth as clear as day in the scripture, you are not seeing the other half of that scripture that shows that water baptism is not required to be born again.
I get all that, but what I am asking you is how can that possibly be truth when I KNOW I was saved before I was baptized? I understand that you don't KNOW this, and that I couldn't possibly "give" that to you. I could just be saying this to win an online debate right? However I am not, I have been transformed by our King. I didn't do it and at the time He granted me repentance I was at a point so low that after being a false convert (in ignorance, we can't know what we have no clue of) for 5 or so years, that I thought I'd already done the "Christian thing" and it wasn't helping at all. When I hit my knees not only was I not near water to be baptized, but I wasn't calling out to God or Jesus at this point, wasn't sure I even believed anymore. (in my head, I'd never truly believed, only thought I had)
I hit my knees seeing how futile I was in truth and exactly what 33 years of "my way" looked like. I picked myself up and dried myself off and went to sleep. The next day I woke up a whole new creature. To sum it up as quickly as I can, after 2 years of nonstop suicidal thoughts I couldn't control, I just learned to live with them. It wasn't until lunch the next day it hits me and hit me hard, I hadn't thought about killing myself once today!!! I knew in this moment 2 things, that whatever this was it was God, and I knew Jesus was His Son. He then of course lead me straight to His word.
This was when He saved me. I didn't repeat the right prayer, nor find the "only real church left", there was no gate keeper, or ritual that had to be met. God saved me then and there and to this day He has kept me 11 years.
I'd also like to point out that this was when He opened my eyes to His word and lifted the veil to the truth of the things of the Spirit. I then wanted to go and be baptized to say to the world I'd been born again. It's not like I am anti-baptism or saying we shouldn't or even that we won't be baptized as true believers. But to say that you must be baptized to be saved or that you are saved by being baptized is just simply not true brother. It's not.
I get all that, but what I am asking you is how can that possibly be truth when I KNOW I was saved before I was baptized? I understand that you don't KNOW this, and that I couldn't possibly "give" that to you. I could just be saying this to win an online debate right? However I am not, I have been transformed by our King. I didn't do it and at the time He granted me repentance I was at a point so low that after being a false convert (in ignorance, we can't know what we have no clue of) for 5 or so years, that I thought I'd already done the "Christian thing" and it wasn't helping at all. When I hit my knees not only was I not near water to be baptized, but I wasn't calling out to God or Jesus at this point, wasn't sure I even believed anymore. (in my head, I'd never truly believed, only thought I had)
I hit my knees seeing how futile I was in truth and exactly what 33 years of "my way" looked like. I picked myself up and dried myself off and went to sleep. The next day I woke up a whole new creature. To sum it up as quickly as I can, after 2 years of nonstop suicidal thoughts I couldn't control, I just learned to live with them. It wasn't until lunch the next day it hits me and hit me hard, I hadn't thought about killing myself once today!!! I knew in this moment 2 things, that whatever this was it was God, and I knew Jesus was His Son. He then of course lead me straight to His word.
This was when He saved me. I didn't repeat the right prayer, nor find the "only real church left", there was no gate keeper, or ritual that had to be met. God saved me then and there and to this day He has kept me 11 years.
I'd also like to point out that this was when He opened my eyes to His word and lifted the veil to the truth of the things of the Spirit. I then wanted to go and be baptized to say to the world I'd been born again. It's not like I am anti-baptism or saying we shouldn't or even that we won't be baptized as true believers. But to say that you must be baptized to be saved or that you are saved by being baptized is just simply not true brother. It's not.
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So my testimony means nothing. As I just said to him as well, text can be thrown at each other all day long, page after page, and what does that do? My testimony should be held to the standard of scripture like anything, but for your whole argument to be "your personal story invalidates everything you say" is childish and dismissive. Since the very beginning God has been sending His children out to testify to people what He's done for them and of His power. It's usually those with the weakest testimonies that so easily dismiss them as you are to me. I came and testified this as a brother in Jesus name, I don't take that as lightly as you do I guess. Hey dismiss me if you want and hide in your box. I've done what I'm called to do. Have a great day man.
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and testimony. I want you to know up front that the following is just in answer to some of your comments. I do not intend to go on and on concerning the topic.
I, too, am sincere in saying I'm not attempting to win a debate. My sole objective is to share scripture that many don't even know exists because it is so rarely shared from pulpits today.
I must disagree with your assessment that I've been shown scripture that points away from the need to be water baptized. I take into account scripture others share. It would foolish not to. However, upon study, scripture does not point away from the requirement of water baptism but rather confirms it. The idea that submitting to the command is required to make a public display is found no where in scripture.
I guess where we differ, is I see within scripture that being born again involves a process. (One it would seem you have gone through) If you will recall, Paul said that the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. One step of faith leads to another, and another. Paul also said, not all have obeyed the gospel; indicating obedience is required. This lines up with what was first presented by the Apostle Peter on the Day of Pentecost. And to clarify, I do not agree with the idea that the Holy Ghost is received at the moment a person submits to water baptism. Scripture does reveal both water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost is necessary; however, the sequence does differ. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16) Personally, I believed in Jesus, and received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues, prior to obeying the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus. I had submitted to water baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost previously. However, I was rebaptized in water when I saw that the apostles consistently water baptized individuals invoking the name of the one who was crucified to save my soul.
What scriptures caused you to conclude that submitting to water baptism is merely done as a public display? I'm not familiar with any scriptures that reference the purpose of water baptism being for anything other than remitting one's sin in association with Jesus' sacrifice.
I don't know if you viewed the thread I shared. It details a parallel between the natural and spiritual process of being united with one's bridegroom.
I, too, am sincere in saying I'm not attempting to win a debate. My sole objective is to share scripture that many don't even know exists because it is so rarely shared from pulpits today.
I must disagree with your assessment that I've been shown scripture that points away from the need to be water baptized. I take into account scripture others share. It would foolish not to. However, upon study, scripture does not point away from the requirement of water baptism but rather confirms it. The idea that submitting to the command is required to make a public display is found no where in scripture.
I guess where we differ, is I see within scripture that being born again involves a process. (One it would seem you have gone through) If you will recall, Paul said that the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. One step of faith leads to another, and another. Paul also said, not all have obeyed the gospel; indicating obedience is required. This lines up with what was first presented by the Apostle Peter on the Day of Pentecost. And to clarify, I do not agree with the idea that the Holy Ghost is received at the moment a person submits to water baptism. Scripture does reveal both water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost is necessary; however, the sequence does differ. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16) Personally, I believed in Jesus, and received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues, prior to obeying the command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus. I had submitted to water baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost previously. However, I was rebaptized in water when I saw that the apostles consistently water baptized individuals invoking the name of the one who was crucified to save my soul.
What scriptures caused you to conclude that submitting to water baptism is merely done as a public display? I'm not familiar with any scriptures that reference the purpose of water baptism being for anything other than remitting one's sin in association with Jesus' sacrifice.
I don't know if you viewed the thread I shared. It details a parallel between the natural and spiritual process of being united with one's bridegroom.
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Your comment is a rather indicative sign of a closed mind.
It "can not possibly be true"???
Obedience is needed for salvation.
The scriptures are there. Its meaning is clear. Many Christians accept it.
Yet it is impossible to be true???
Is it impossible because it does not line up to your testimony???
It "can not possibly be true"???
Obedience is needed for salvation.
The scriptures are there. Its meaning is clear. Many Christians accept it.
Yet it is impossible to be true???
Is it impossible because it does not line up to your testimony???
believe, God, in risen Son for you. Receive from God, the risen Son and God himself, the Holy Spirit for you to learn new
Eph 1:1-13, digging out verses 6.7.13. Phil 1:6, Col 1:21-23, standing in trust to God in what is done for you and all others too, by Son for us all.
It is believe God, receive from God and simply be new in the risen God Jesus for you, guided new in the Holy Spirit for you.
Too easy to just believe and get set free, with all the self effort works in this world today
Eph 1:1-13, digging out verses 6.7.13. Phil 1:6, Col 1:21-23, standing in trust to God in what is done for you and all others too, by Son for us all.
- Hebrews 2:11
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctifiedare all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
It is believe God, receive from God and simply be new in the risen God Jesus for you, guided new in the Holy Spirit for you.
Too easy to just believe and get set free, with all the self effort works in this world today
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It's impossible because it doesn't line up with His word, my personal testimony just confirms this to me, and I proclaim the truth His Spirit guided me to. What makes your view more authoritative? Why do you act as if you are the authority and just get to "claim" that you're right? Because you posted proof text? You forgot a whole lot of text that says people are saved before they are baptized? Your argumentation is "I'm right, your testimony means nothing." While I actually agree that my personal experience has no authority and no one has to believe it. But I'm going to proclaim it when I hear anti-Christ teachings like you teach here.
"Obedience is needed for salvation."
NOPE you are a liar, and I can only conclude that you are not born again, because there's no way you can be transformed by His Spirit in truth, and be this far away from what's true. We can't be obedient or live in a pleasing way to God before we are born again. We are saved and THEN can be obedient, you claiming that we have to be obedient to be saved is a false works based salvation that is nothing but false and so far away from the Scripture you claim to hold to.
The scriptures are there. Its meaning is clear. Many Christians accept it.
Christians accept the WHOLE of scripture, not just a list of proof text that confirm one side while ignoring a ton of others that say the opposite. I honestly think you've provided your opinion and arrogance as an argument, as well as being completely dismissive of me in the most disrespectful way a Christian can be to another Christian. I don't expect anyone to accept what I say at face value, or at all really. I wouldn't want them to, but to just completely wave a person off who comes to you in Jesus name and says "this is what I testify as the truth of what God did in my life", as if it's nothing is a great insult. But only if it's another born again brother or sister, if they're still lost then it's not insulting at all. This is sadly where I'm at with you. If you haven't truly been spiritually resurrected by the power of God then you still feel it's up to your flesh to save you, as you're teaching here.
Please man you need to search yourself, as someone who thought I was saved 5 years before He saved me in truth, I plea with you to search yourself to see if you are truly spiritually alive and reconciled to God. If you think your obedience and baptism saved you, then you very well may not be saved. I'm sure you will wave this off too, but everything you are teaching here is wrong.
"Obedience is needed for salvation."
NOPE you are a liar, and I can only conclude that you are not born again, because there's no way you can be transformed by His Spirit in truth, and be this far away from what's true. We can't be obedient or live in a pleasing way to God before we are born again. We are saved and THEN can be obedient, you claiming that we have to be obedient to be saved is a false works based salvation that is nothing but false and so far away from the Scripture you claim to hold to.
The scriptures are there. Its meaning is clear. Many Christians accept it.
Christians accept the WHOLE of scripture, not just a list of proof text that confirm one side while ignoring a ton of others that say the opposite. I honestly think you've provided your opinion and arrogance as an argument, as well as being completely dismissive of me in the most disrespectful way a Christian can be to another Christian. I don't expect anyone to accept what I say at face value, or at all really. I wouldn't want them to, but to just completely wave a person off who comes to you in Jesus name and says "this is what I testify as the truth of what God did in my life", as if it's nothing is a great insult. But only if it's another born again brother or sister, if they're still lost then it's not insulting at all. This is sadly where I'm at with you. If you haven't truly been spiritually resurrected by the power of God then you still feel it's up to your flesh to save you, as you're teaching here.
Please man you need to search yourself, as someone who thought I was saved 5 years before He saved me in truth, I plea with you to search yourself to see if you are truly spiritually alive and reconciled to God. If you think your obedience and baptism saved you, then you very well may not be saved. I'm sure you will wave this off too, but everything you are teaching here is wrong.