The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation

I believe in the death, burial, and resurrection for sins, but I totally reject Calvinism. I am not in opposition to the Lord or his word. I am in opposition to a Catholic Priest names John Calvin and his fatalist theology.

You sound really foolish. Are you a child who found your parents computer unattended?

The teaching belongs to Jesus, and the Apostles. Not Calvin. He read his bible and commented on it.
Has anyone quoted Calvin today?
Do you understand the terms you are using? Islam is fatalistic, Christianity is not,

Well that sounds familiar. Look man, you sound like a very smart person with a lot of knowledge. I would challenge you to examine your own heart about God’s plan for you and what your ministry is and to whom. A Christian’s job is to give up his life for others for the purpose of bringing them to Jesus and seeing them have success. Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost, and those included the Samaritan woman and her whole village. Jesus also said to “Love your neighbor as yourself.”’The disciples wanted to justify only ministering to certain individuals so Jesus told them of the Good Samaritan. Jesus says in Rev 3:20 “… if any man…”

Has anyone quoted Alister Crowley today? Hopefully not.

I would challenge any supposed teacher to William J. Seymour (1870-1922). This is who we need to learn from.

So now, You are capable of making posts that are civil. This is a good development. How about we start fresh?
How can I help you?

If you believe God has determined everyone’s fate, then that’s fatalism.

Okay, fair enough. The next step after salvation is receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and usually speaking in tongues follows.

If you do not understand the difference it is not possible you are going to get this right.
You should not comment when you do not know the difference

I don't know really what to say. This is huge! I love this! Its not going to bless us but "has" blessed us. Not with some but "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ," Did you get that? "all spiritual blessing". What's left there is nothing left. All is all and that's all all means.

Not suer what you mean by "what could go wrong with this". Now maybe I missed what your getting at and it was not about all spiritual blessing but salvation, elect, blah blah blah. That free gift was to the world and its not changed. I like how one said it.. I came to give you a birthday gift. Do you come over and beg, cry asking for it? No you just take it, you freely receive it. So we need to know God is not counting up and holding against mankind their trespasses, but canceling them 2nd Cor 5:19. Sin has been canceled He died for the worlds sin. Man has to repent become born again. Are we sharing this good news? No just going back and forth with other believers. Spiritual blessings, to just skip over it. Were talking about .. hmm a place we are to be walking in all the time. Gal.. we walk in the spirit we are to be led by the spirit. filled with the spirit (Eph 5:18)

If God said to you "I have blessed you with ever spiritual blessing" do you just say ok thanks. NO! Me" OH man I want to know more.. tell me everything... its like being told your a joint heir with Jesus Christ. To know as Isaac was we are the children of promise. All those promises are ours. And its because of Him.. Yeshua/Jesus Christ the lamb of GOD.. the gift to the world. We did nothing what so ever.. our righteousness comes just because we believe in Christ. Every time I get stuck here.. I can't leave.. I have to forever and ever and ever praise and thank Him. I know what I am..but oh I so want to know to believe to fully understand how He now sees me through what my lord has done. Don't you get those moments like now when you think.. I can't let one second go by with out thanking praising Him..then.. WHY have you not be sharing this. See its Him.. His presence when you can see. You see how the world comes in so fast and takes this.

Opps.. yeah sorry well not but.. I lol I did get lost here... I was sitting here thinking all this. I love this..

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit take’s a little faith and a flexible spirit. Salvation’s happens first though. Have you received Jesus as your personal Lord and savior?

Are you saying that the Christians who are not calvinists don't have the Spirit working in them?

I just want you to know that until Augustine came along, 400 years after Christ, no one held to this type of doctrine on predestination. Wheres waldo, will the real elect please stand up?

I have listened to many sermons and debates on the subject, from James White for example. If he incorrectly defines calvinism then I guess thats that.

You guys use the misrepresentation word so much whenever someone says something that logically follows from your belief system.

If I were to say: God played lottery in heaven and decided who willl be saved and who isnt, since it has nothing to do with the person, its purely grace.
The calvinist would be up in arms screaming MISREPRESENTATION!!! and they would say the exact same thing I said, with more scholarly and fancy language, for example: "God chose to save rebel sinners who hated Him, God was so gracious. If God was just He could have condemned them all, but God showed mercy! For grace to be grace it cannot be merited" Ive heard things like this from James White, and when you strip all the fancy language, what it boils down to is: Everyone is totally depraved, not seeking God (even though the Bible says some do seek God and God wants people to seek Him but oh well) but God chose according to the good pleasure of His will to save some. Yet if I call that a heavenly lottery im "mocking" or "Misrepresenting". I just dont see the difference.

I would also add it seems to offend those who believe in free will, and this passage is used to prove there is no free will.

We can‘t forget He loved the whole world though. We can’t seperate people. And say God loved them, but he did not love the rest.

God tells us to love our enemy, its kind of hard when God says do as i do. Yet he did not love ALL his enemy as he commands us to

But it is conditional

1. I am the door
2. Through me, IF ANYONE MAY COME IN,
3. The one who through me decides to come in will be saved.

But he does not contradict himself

If God is for us, who can be against us. He gave us every spiritual blessing, Evensalvation was a gift.

You can’t earn these spiritual blessing you were given, you also can’t earn the gift of salvation *or etrnal life) you were given. So in essence, since yu can;t earn them to get or keep them, You can not unearn them to lose them.

The bible says this

1. once a person is born again, they are made into a new creature.
2. This new creature was created in Christ Jesus.
3. The new creature has new tastes and what used to taste good now is sour milk, and what used to taste bad is like fine wine.
4. The Bible says that wheoever is born of God CAN NOT live in sin, whoever lives in sin has NEVER known or seen God (the new creation)
5. The Bible also says a dog returns to his vomit. Why? The vomit tastes like fine wine, He was never changed, he is still a dog (they were never born again.
6. It finally says those who were of us, who departed from us and now are against christ, thy were never of us.

So to say something can go wrong AFTER those things are freely given, is not totally true.

A child of God can be chastened, loved blessing, put himself in an area where he is not blessed, and even die the sin unto death being taken home early.

But he will always be a child of God.

i have been skeptical of this since i was a child, i used to speak in tongues before i understood scripture a little better, one thing i noticed when speaking in tongues is how i could easily slip into a trance like state which as i got older started to feel more like witchcraft, vain babbling and deep meditation. i no longer speak in tongues…

that being said… when i was 11 years old i had cysts on my vocal cords, a few members of my church and my dad laid hands on me, in an instant i felt a powerful rush shoot through my body, i was overtaken and fell to the floor, i remember trying to get up but the presence of God held me down while the prayer continued, i never felt such warmth all through my body and such peace. nobody was praying in tongues but they were praying fervently, binding and loosing…

the next time i went to the doctor my cysts were gone.. praise Jesus

i apologize for losing my train of thought but my point was that i don’t think that “tongues” is a necessity