The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation
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Your History as a failed distributor while interesting, has nothing to do with your inability to address the scriptures. Your failure to present solid scriptural teaching and your unclean little insinuations could not be cleansed even with a new bottle of scrub brite, or LOC. Your repeated failures on here show why you could not get enough PV to be successful, lol
Go over your failed posts with some scrub buds
Maybe consult with your upline
Go over your failed posts with some scrub buds
Maybe consult with your upline
As long as lost people such as yourself are out here, we will look to try and help those who want help.
A self righteous judgmental person such as yourself does not want help, but in responding to you, others who need the help will read the answers offered and they will benefit from the interaction.
A self righteous judgmental person such as yourself does not want help, but in responding to you, others who need the help will read the answers offered and they will benefit from the interaction.
Do you worship a God who is not Sovereign???
Can you even define Calvinism accurately?
They do not identify by that name as they understand they are Christians. When pushed for a label they will use Calvinism, but when people like you do not know what it is, why should they use the label?
I Guarantee, what you offer as an explanation will be a caricature, unless you google it,lol
Can you even define Calvinism accurately?
They do not identify by that name as they understand they are Christians. When pushed for a label they will use Calvinism, but when people like you do not know what it is, why should they use the label?
I Guarantee, what you offer as an explanation will be a caricature, unless you google it,lol
My friend, Most can now explain accurately what is Calvinism.
Many understand it as a nickname for the gospel itself, when fully explained.
If a person opposes the gospel, they are currently in a lost condidtion, yes.
It could be they believe in Jesus, but do not understand salvation, or it's parts.
We cannot see their heart, but we can see the foolish posts, that describe ungodly thought and opposition to Jesus and the Apostles truth as described in scripture.
Many understand it as a nickname for the gospel itself, when fully explained.
If a person opposes the gospel, they are currently in a lost condidtion, yes.
It could be they believe in Jesus, but do not understand salvation, or it's parts.
We cannot see their heart, but we can see the foolish posts, that describe ungodly thought and opposition to Jesus and the Apostles truth as described in scripture.
The poster has done nothing but accuse me of being a non Christian, yet you did not happen to remark about that ,did you?
The person has not made a Christian post in this whole discussion, yet you seek to side with him. I suspect you hate the doctrines of grace also can you be open enough to speak plainly about it? my good friend.
The person has not made a Christian post in this whole discussion, yet you seek to side with him. I suspect you hate the doctrines of grace also can you be open enough to speak plainly about it? my good friend.
Do you believe you can choose better for yourself than God can? Did Jesus not teach us to pray...THY will be done? Does that not apply to each individual? Do you object to God conforming you to the image of Christ?
If God is so powerful and good, having all knowledge of all things, who would you propose should direct our steps? And if you object, wouldn't it be better for a loving, caring Father to keep you from harm anyway?
The simple fact is, God knows all we need, when we need it, and knows perfectly how to care for all of creation and is upholding ALL things currently by the word of His power. Should He cease from this activity, chaos would ensue.
Solomon penned the following...Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; but in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He WILL direct your paths. Jesus said...not My will, but Thine be done...The 2 wisest men to ever live thought God exercising sovereign control over them was the preferred estate. Why don't you?
If God is so powerful and good, having all knowledge of all things, who would you propose should direct our steps? And if you object, wouldn't it be better for a loving, caring Father to keep you from harm anyway?
The simple fact is, God knows all we need, when we need it, and knows perfectly how to care for all of creation and is upholding ALL things currently by the word of His power. Should He cease from this activity, chaos would ensue.
Solomon penned the following...Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; but in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He WILL direct your paths. Jesus said...not My will, but Thine be done...The 2 wisest men to ever live thought God exercising sovereign control over them was the preferred estate. Why don't you?
Your History as a failed distributor while interesting, has nothing to do with your inability to address the scriptures. Your failure to present solid scriptural teaching and your unclean little insinuations could not be cleansed even with a new bottle of scrub brite, or LOC. Your repeated failures on here show why you could not get enough PV to be successful, lol
Go over your failed posts with some scrub budsMaybe consult with your upline
Go over your failed posts with some scrub buds
Maybe consult with your upline
There is a lot more for us than an Amway or an Election doctrine. We should be praying to and obeying God for those people in our circles that need it most. Jesus wants us to lay down our lives for our friends. How do we do that? By obeying God and praying for the purpose of seeing His will done in our friends. Mindsets such election, Amway, pious, too puffed up, all hinder God working through us to benefit them. When we obey God, by sacrificing our wants, then He blesses us and those around us who were praying for.
Hey Cameron. I believe in election … and I believe in free will. Here’s just one example:
Here we have election:
Ephesians 1:4-6: According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Here we have free will:
Revelation 3:20-21: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Here we have election:
Ephesians 1:4-6: According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Here we have free will:
Revelation 3:20-21: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
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Hello Selah,
Most people say 1 cor15:1-4...is The gospel...it says so, right!
What i would like to to take time here is to consider the part in 1cor15, you and others skip over!
Notice:
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Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Paul does not just state the historic facts of the "gospel", but adds in ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES
SO YES CALVINISM USES ALL 66 BOOKS OF THE SCRIPTURES, to explain what we call the gospel.
From the fall into sin and death, to the electing of God bringing dead sinners to life, to the Covenant death of Jesus
who gace Himself , for All the Father gave to Him. To the irresistible grace drawing them , and keeping them all the way to heaven. So as Spurgeon and many others have said, Calvinism, fully explained according to the scriptures is the gospel.
see here;
Charles Spurgeon: “Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else.”
JULY 4, 2014 / DREW MERY
If there is any doubt in anyone’s mind as to whether or not the so-called “Prince of preachers” was a Calvinist, let the following quotation, taken from his sermon on 1 Corinthians 1:23-24 (“Christ Crucified”), settle it in your minds–Spurgeon was most definitely a Calvinist.
Most people say 1 cor15:1-4...is The gospel...it says so, right!
What i would like to to take time here is to consider the part in 1cor15, you and others skip over!
Notice:
15
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Paul does not just state the historic facts of the "gospel", but adds in ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES
SO YES CALVINISM USES ALL 66 BOOKS OF THE SCRIPTURES, to explain what we call the gospel.
From the fall into sin and death, to the electing of God bringing dead sinners to life, to the Covenant death of Jesus
who gace Himself , for All the Father gave to Him. To the irresistible grace drawing them , and keeping them all the way to heaven. So as Spurgeon and many others have said, Calvinism, fully explained according to the scriptures is the gospel.
see here;
Charles Spurgeon: “Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else.”
JULY 4, 2014 / DREW MERY
If there is any doubt in anyone’s mind as to whether or not the so-called “Prince of preachers” was a Calvinist, let the following quotation, taken from his sermon on 1 Corinthians 1:23-24 (“Christ Crucified”), settle it in your minds–Spurgeon was most definitely a Calvinist.
And I have my own private opinion, that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism. Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in his dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor, I think, can we preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the peculiar redemption which Christ made for his elect and chosen people; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation, after having believed. Such a gospel I abhor. The gospel of the Bible is not such a gospel as that. We preach Christ and him crucified in a different fashion, and to all gainsayers we reply, ‘We have not so learned Christ.’ [Spurgeon’s Sermons, vol. I (Baker Books, reprinted 2007), 88-89.]
I'm familiar with your views from your other posts. I believe Adam and Eve and Jesus were the only 3 humans to have totally free choice. I believe an individual's choices are impacted by their nature or estate.
Be that as it may, my post wasn't actually about freewill, but an attempt to show the superiority of God as a chooser. Clearly God possesses superior abilities than we do in this regard. Why wouldn't someone want God overseeing their lives? There is no one who can do so better.
The 2nd verse you quoted was actually written to the churches. It doesn't actually deal with salvation; rather it is an offer of fellowship, much like the offer Jesus makes concerning Himself and the Father in the latter portion of John 14.
Be that as it may, my post wasn't actually about freewill, but an attempt to show the superiority of God as a chooser. Clearly God possesses superior abilities than we do in this regard. Why wouldn't someone want God overseeing their lives? There is no one who can do so better.
The 2nd verse you quoted was actually written to the churches. It doesn't actually deal with salvation; rather it is an offer of fellowship, much like the offer Jesus makes concerning Himself and the Father in the latter portion of John 14.
I would like to let you know that I speak to more people about the gospel on a weekly basis than most people you know.
Your concerns about this are unfounded. Why did you assume I would not be about the gospel of the kingdom?
You should seek clarification with a person before making some bad assumptions.
Your concerns about this are unfounded. Why did you assume I would not be about the gospel of the kingdom?
You should seek clarification with a person before making some bad assumptions.
Look, the terms including “eiection” and “predestined” are in the Bible (duh). And yes, Jesus talks about being chosen. But He didn’t mean for us to make up a whole religion for it! C’mon people, use a little discernment. Remember that satan tempted Jesus with the scripture. Most cults and non-Christian religions are based out of the Bible - Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Catholicism, Islam, Calvinism. These all have roots in the Bible, but have twisted off to seeking something other than Jesus. The OP has elevated his status of being “elected” above all else. The non-Christian religion of “Calvinism” that he subscribes to has “election” as its cornerstone above Jesus.
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So I’m gonna go into each one of these false religions, dissect it, and come back after all my research and say “Hey everyone, I just did a long study of Satanism and I can actually see where these people are coming from. And after talking with different Satanists, they are actually regular people just like us. But there seems to be a slight problem with accepting Jesus. They’ve even given me a lot of scripture showing me where satan was actually the victim and according to their study, Satan should have inherited everything, but Jesus slipped in ahead of Him.”
Is that what I need to do here, is listen to a guy, or look at the scriptures you’ve dug out to try to justify why election is so important and is literally the crux of getting a spiritual breakthrough like no other?
The burden of proof is not on me. God doesn’t require me to go live as a Muslim, or go learn why Mary is exalted, or why Joseph Smith dug up his yard looking for lost treasure, or all the ins and outs of the Jehovah’s Witness, or why only an elect can be saved.
Is that what I need to do here, is listen to a guy, or look at the scriptures you’ve dug out to try to justify why election is so important and is literally the crux of getting a spiritual breakthrough like no other?
The burden of proof is not on me. God doesn’t require me to go live as a Muslim, or go learn why Mary is exalted, or why Joseph Smith dug up his yard looking for lost treasure, or all the ins and outs of the Jehovah’s Witness, or why only an elect can be saved.