Why Won't I Vote for Trump?

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Mem

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The election will follow the same way the 2016 and 2020 did. When Trump won democrats were outraged and were certain the election was rigged. Republicans disagreed because their guy won. When Biden won, Republicans were outraged and were certain the elections were rigged. Democrats disagreed because their guy won. Whoever wins the election, the losing party will cry foul while the winning party will accept victory.
I'd always considered Ohio's political map to be the indicator of the direction of the nation (Ohio is often referred to as the 'heart'). And Ohio has voted with the overall winning candidate recorded as far back 1976. However, 2020 was a deviation from this trend so... it does make me wonder :unsure:
 

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Isaiah 45:1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

That is right, #45 is Cyrus, Isaiah 45.

2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

The crooked places like crooked Hillary. Break in pieces Gates. Cut in sunder a weaponized DOJ with their bars of Iron.

3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

Oh yeah, keep mocking Q, but it is obvious the treasures of darkness have been given to 45. True, doesn't know the Lord, but after this is over he will.

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Yes, it is true that he doesn't know the Lord, but God answers prayers and can do it any way He pleases. The mistake many make is to think this for the US, God is doing this for Israel. The US will be judged and the ones truly standing with the Lord will be raptured. Those left behind will be in torment that the rest of the world will see and fear. 45 is not being sent to help the believers get raptured, he is being used by God for Jacob and Israel.

5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

45 didn't know the Lord and yet it was the Lord who girded him, prepared him, trained him.

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
 

Mem

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Isaiah 45:1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

That is right, #45 is Cyrus, Isaiah 45.

2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

The crooked places like crooked Hillary. Break in pieces Gates. Cut in sunder a weaponized DOJ with their bars of Iron.

3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

Oh yeah, keep mocking Q, but it is obvious the treasures of darkness have been given to 45. True, doesn't know the Lord, but after this is over he will.

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Yes, it is true that he doesn't know the Lord, but God answers prayers and can do it any way He pleases. The mistake many make is to think this for the US, God is doing this for Israel. The US will be judged and the ones truly standing with the Lord will be raptured. Those left behind will be in torment that the rest of the world will see and fear. 45 is not being sent to help the believers get raptured, he is being used by God for Jacob and Israel.

5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

45 didn't know the Lord and yet it was the Lord who girded him, prepared him, trained him.

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
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8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.


Although it might be possible that I be convinced of the rest of your conclusions, I can't be convinced that anyone has to be raptured in order that righteous judgment to be exacted.
 
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I think most people here would think highly of Ben Shapiro. He doesn't think the election was stolen. Do you think he's secretly a leftist? I don't think so. There are a lot of people on the right who don't think the election was stolen. Ben's case is that perhaps it was stolen, but Trump didn't bring anything to prove that in court. In fact, Ben laughs that Trump didn't use most of his false claims he made at his speeches in court for a reason... He knows it's not true.
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What did I miss there? What was sadistic and depressing, did I not see the entire clip?
I should have left the sadistic and depressing part out because IMO to some, (MAGA) everything he says brings mental elation.I really believe Trump Is receiving dEmonic spiritual help.
 

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I should have left the sadistic and depressing part out because IMO to some, (MAGA) everything he says brings mental elation.I really believe Trump Is receiving dEmonic spiritual help.

So I have said in another post that this swings both ways. I have a friend who sends me links to a lady prophet that calls Trump God's "my David". I love my friend but I don't watch the links because I believe it goes too far. I believe God used Churchill in his day, and I believe he may use Trump again. I don't know where Churchill stood as far as his relationship with God. People who I know that know Trump personally say he is born again. But I can't say whether that is true. I do think many of us understand that the public Donald Trump is different from the private one. Trump does have a lot of entertainment about him and most of us understand that and take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt. But demonic spiritual help? I think you'd have to point out where you believe that is happening. I've never said that about Biden. I think some of the people guiding him maybe, but that's a pretty heavy charge. I'd need some evidence for that.
 
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So I have said in another post that this swings both ways. I have a friend who sends me links to a lady prophet that calls Trump God's "my David". I love my friend but I don't watch the links because I believe it goes too far. I believe God used Churchill in his day, and I believe he may use Trump again. I don't know where Churchill stood as far as his relationship with God. People who I know that know Trump personally say he is born again. But I can't say whether that is true. I do think many of us understand that the public Donald Trump is different from the private one. Trump does have a lot of entertainment about him and most of us understand that and take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt. But demonic spiritual help? I think you'd have to point out where you believe that is happening. I've never said that about Biden. I think some of the people guiding him maybe, but that's a pretty heavy charge. I'd need some evidence for that.
I can't offer any physical evidence but spiritual things have to be spiritually discerned and I think you want physical evidence.He DID say though that he could shoot someone and not lose ANY support and to me this Is true and I thought how did he Know that?
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I can't offer any physical evidence but spiritual things have to be spiritually discerned and I think you want physical evidence.He DID say though that he could shoot someone and not lose ANY support and to me this Is true and I thought how did he Know that?

From Snopes "It's true that Trump made the "shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue" remark widely attributed to him across standard and social media sites. However, the (somewhat clumsy and crass) comment also generally appeared absent of its broader context, which pertained to the loyalty of his followers, and not an actual desire, intent, or interest in shooting any individuals for the sole reason that he believed it would have no effect on his popularity"

Yeah, not a polished politician. No one is dim enough to think he's going on a murdering spree with his voters. If you listen to a fuller version he says "they say" talking about the loyalty of his voters. Not demon inspired that I can see. Moreover, I can't see anything he did in his 4 yrs in office that was demon inspired, can you?!
 

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I should have left the sadistic and depressing part out because IMO to some, (MAGA) everything he says brings mental elation.I really believe Trump Is receiving dEmonic spiritual help.
oh boy, getting out there now. way out there....
 

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I can't offer any physical evidence but spiritual things have to be spiritually discerned and I think you want physical evidence.He DID say though that he could shoot someone and not lose ANY support and to me this Is true and I thought how did he Know that?

Sorry to disappoint you but your missing the most important portion of his statement "Fifth Avenue"(what it represents). Why it's important is that 5'TH Ave. is the elite luxury shopping area(Bergdorf Goodman,Gucci,Tiffany &co.) as if he was saying he could go through the upper elite class of society where only the filthy rich play and dispose of whom he chooses and loose no support.
 

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Sorry to disappoint you but your missing the most important portion of his statement "Fifth Avenue"(what it represents). Why it's important is that 5'TH Ave. is the elite luxury shopping area(Bergdorf Goodman,Gucci,Tiffany &co.) as if he was saying he could go through the upper elite class of society where only the filthy rich play and dispose of whom he chooses and loose no support.
Never heard that angle, that is funny. So the deplorables would not care if he shot some rich person on 5th avenue?
 

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Never heard that angle, that is funny. So the deplorables would not care if he shot some rich person on 5th avenue?

I don't think he meant it literal but was instead meaning that he could do what ever he chose in his neighborhood and they would cheer him on because he was sawing down tall tree's.
 

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One reason many refuse to vote for Trump is because they feared he would get us into WW3 with a 2am tweet. If you were like me you probably assumed that was because they were against getting into WW3. But you don't see any of those complaining about Biden getting us into WW3 so what I have come to realize is what they were really concerned with was about how we were going to get into it. Clearly they wanted the US to institute a draft prior to us getting into WW3. The proof is that all those who were most concerned about the "2 am tweet" haven't said one word about this bill for the draft. Where is Obama making jokes about this, surely his kids will not be exempt. Where is Hillary?
 
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oh boy, getting out there now. way out there....
The world does not believe In things that they can’t perceive with one or more of their five senses which are see,taste,hear,smell or feel.
 

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The world does not believe In things that they can’t perceive with one or more of their five senses which are see,taste,hear,smell or feel.
i know that, but to look at the dems and the things they stand for and support, and then suggest that trump is getting demonic support...o_Oo_O
 
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i know that, but to look at the dems and the things they stand for and support, and then suggest that trump is getting demonic support...o_Oo_O
I don’t agree with pro choice or homosexuality,I wish someone like Mitt Romney were running.Don’t you wish someone other than Donald Trump were the leader of the republican party?
 

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I don’t agree with pro choice or homosexuality,I wish someone like Mitt Romney were running.Don’t you wish someone other than Donald Trump were the leader of the republican party?
Mormon's are a wing of the FreeMasons. There is a strong evidence that Trump worships Moloch and is a FreeMason, but switching Romney for Trump is hardly any improvement.
 

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i know that, but to look at the dems and the things they stand for and support, and then suggest that trump is getting demonic support...o_Oo_O

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Unbelievable that a person would make that comment! You knocked it out of the park!!! Thank you for making that clear.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I don’t agree with pro choice or homosexuality,I wish someone like Mitt Romney were running.Don’t you wish someone other than Donald Trump were the leader of the republican party?

The fact that you think those are the two things Dems are pushing shows you're either biased or dead asleep. smh Seriously!