June 6, 1944: D-Day In Memoriam

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HeIsHere

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Susanna said:
You even had to go whataboutism on this one too? Well, whatever floats your boat.
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This isn't a debate, logical fallacies do not apply, this is an open discussion.
 
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HeIsHere said:
While having experienced it first hand as my parents did in Europe is valuable and I have learned a lot from them, I think that while we may not like a certain country or leader we cannot deny the documented effort and manpower the Soviet Union put in to the defeat the Nazi's on the eastern front.
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I can understand it from that point of view but you have to realize that in my family mine own family members were in different theaters of the war. My immediate family was in the US but others were still living in Spain,Holland,Ukraine ect.... On my fathers side they had migrated from Palatinate on the Rhine to the US in the mid 1700's but a lot of our family were still there at that time and many of them were in one army or the other. Many of my family members immigrated to both the US and Mexico but for the ones who did not being of Hebrew/Jewish decent was not a good situation(neither in Germany nor Russia). I think it's a "my war" thing where depending on where the person happened to be during the war they will probably see it different than others. To be truthful I watch people speak of their experiences of it and compare it to the ones told to me by my family members and it's like watching the movie Noah and trying to figure out how Hollywood ended up with Tubal-Cain on the Ark. Anyway this many years later it's just rather odd watching how the WW2 stories have evolved over time and comparing them with mine own memories of then,lol...
 
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I can understand it from that point of view but you have to realize that in my family mine own family members were in different theaters of the war. My immediate family was in the US but others were still living in Spain,Holland,Ukraine ect.... On my fathers side they had migrated from Palatinate on the Rhine to the US in the mid 1700's but a lot of our family were still there at that time and many of them were in one army or the other. Many of my family members immigrated to both the US and Mexico but for the ones who did not being of Hebrew/Jewish decent was not a good situation(neither in Germany nor Russia). I think it's a "my war" thing where depending on where the person happened to be during the war they will probably see it different than others. To bee truthful I watch people speak of their experiences of it and compare it to the ones told to me by my family members and it's like watching the movie Noah and trying to figure out how Hollywood ended up with Tubal-Cain on the Ark. Anyway this many years later it's just rather odd watching how the WW2 stories have evolved over time and comparing them with mine own memories of then,lol...
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Yes I understand this and saw it in my own family.
Studying history is a different thing I think.
 
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iamsoandso said:
I can understand it from that point of view but you have to realize that in my family mine own family members were in different theaters of the war. My immediate family was in the US but others were still living in Spain,Holland,Ukraine ect.... On my fathers side they had migrated from Palatinate on the Rhine to the US in the mid 1700's but a lot of our family were still there at that time and many of them were in one army or the other. Many of my family members immigrated to both the US and Mexico but for the ones who did not being of Hebrew/Jewish decent was not a good situation(neither in Germany nor Russia). I think it's a "my war" thing where depending on where the person happened to be during the war they will probably see it different than others. To bee truthful I watch people speak of their experiences of it and compare it to the ones told to me by my family members and it's like watching the movie Noah and trying to figure out how Hollywood ended up with Tubal-Cain on the Ark. Anyway this many years later it's just rather odd watching how the WW2 stories have evolved over time and comparing them with mine own memories of then,lol...
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I can relate. Two of my great grandparents were from Finland. Some of my relatives were fighting for the nazi regime, while others were fighting for the allies. Some of my forefathers were fighting for the Union and others were fighting for the Confederate States.

I have fought in several wars over the last 30 years, and it’s hard for me to adjust to a normal life. It’s like a family curse. But if you’re growing up dirt poor in Texas, a military career is a way out of the shacks.
 
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iamsoandso said:
Yep but who's history books they all say different things,lol
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Without getting into the details too much here, i completely understand the sentiment of "Victor writes history".
For example from an American historian POV, USA liberated Europe from Nazis and from a Russian historian POV, it was the Russians who liberated the Europe from Nazis.
So, who liberated Europe?
Nobody knows.
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Maybe it was the aliens who liberated Europe?
 
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I can relate. Two of my great grandparents were from Finland. Some of my relatives were fighting for the nazi regime, while others were fighting for the allies. Some of my forefathers were fighting for the Union and others were fighting for the Confederate States.

I have fought in several wars over the last 30 years, and it’s hard for me to adjust to a normal life. It’s like a family curse. But if you’re growing up dirt poor in Texas, a military career is a way out of the shacks.
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Yep and there's the Spanish connection part of my family I referred too,,,in that the Blue Division was on the eastern front fighting against the Russians during ww2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Division go figure Spanish Jews in the Blue Division then incorporated into the Waffin-SS and at the same time family members in Bergnn-Belsen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp the things family members will do to try to keep other family members alive makes no sense at times,lol
 
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Maybe it was the aliens who liberated Europe?
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Yep(and not that I deny some of it may have taken place),, but it just seems like yesterday when I ask my history teacher in school why the US history books say that Texas had generation's of slaves in the Civil war section but in the Texas chapters Texas only existed from 1836-1865(then slavery ended)... And not that I think they did not have slaves it's just not possible to have grand parents,the parents and then children in 29 years? like you said though the victor writes the history books the way they choose...
 
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Not just losing sight. Making that history DISAPPEAR, and replacing it with hateful things.
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I posted this same memorial on my LinkedIn site where I have over 2000 connections and only received 2 likes and ~200 views. This is the lowest reaction I have received from any of my original postings.

WWII must be losing its historical significance in this generation, and that's hard for me to understand.
 
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SilverFox7 said:
WWII must be losing its historical significance in this generation, and that's hard for me to understand.
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The Communists and Fascists in the Western world have taken over, and most people do not even know it. The Revisionists are writing their own histories and history books, and erasing actual history.
 
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This is why a lot of people think that the holocaust didn't happen, due to the long gap in generations and most importantly due to the nature of the internet which is a minefield.
History is always doomed to repeat itself in a lot of cases but the internet is speeding things up perhaps.
 
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Eli1 said:
This is why a lot of people think that the holocaust didn't happen, due to the long gap in generations and most importantly due to the nature of the internet which is a minefield.
History is always doomed to repeat itself in a lot of cases but the internet is speeding things up perhaps.
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And some things are never even taught, like the forced migration/ethnic cleansing of 12 to 14 million Germans at the end of WWII.
 
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HeIsHere said:
And some things are never even taught, like the forced migration/ethnic cleansing of 12 to 14 million Germans at the end of WWII.
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Also they don't teach that this was a preview of what we would see happen during the Great tribulation, only on a much bigger scale.
 
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HeIsHere said:
An amazing portion of the speech, when leaders spoke intelligently before the advent of Idiocracy, he warned and yet here we are.

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Thank you for sharing this video. To have this warning come from a former general emphasizes how dangerous our world has become with the arsenals many nations have at their disposal.
 
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The Communists and Fascists in the Western world have taken over, and most people do not even know it. The Revisionists are writing their own histories and history books, and erasing actual history.
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So much irony.
 
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