Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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SomeDisciple

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we have left the Lord
Speak for yourself; because I have not left the Lord. Moreover, the economic and other policies I advocate are a matter of goodwill toward my fellow men; not some filthy politicking.
MAGA is not pushing for a confession of sins and repentance, there is no push to return to the Lord.
Political movements don't do the job of the church; the church does the job of the church; and the political movement does the job of advocating for good government: However, in the process of advocating for good government (which is goodwill for your fellow-man.. which IS LOVE) people see that goodwill; and will want to know where it comes from.
 

iamsoandso

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MAGA has been about economic/civic nationalism since before Trump began his initial campaign. "great again" as in, before neoconservatism. The current "old gaurd" are neoconservatives who do NOT represent the origins of the GOP in any way, shape or form.

Now when someone tries to say it's about "white supremacy"; that's when neocons will be lumped in with the democrats; because the neocons should know better than to pull that garbage. White ethno-nationalists have discourse with the political right; that doesn't mean they have influence, any more than "log cabin" gay conservatives can turn straight conservatives gay. We have common economic interests and other policy interests. It's not that hard to understand.

The number of actual theocrats is as small as the number of actual white supremacists. Both are marginal; And even their leaders know that their ideologies are not compatible with reality. So, if somebody is going to label a christian- who is also a nationalist, as a "christian nationalist" and conflate them with actual theocrats- it is unacceptable.

Honestly; I'm not even a full-blown peacemonger; but the current generation of neocons has taken interventionism to a level of stupid that nobody can justify.

MAGA has been a long time coming; the sentiment among the GOP constituency, for a very long time has been that the party does not represent the constituency's interests.
Well your correct about Make America Great Again being used "since before Trump", Reagan used it,Bill Clinton used it it's was even used as a slogan in a movie as a political slogan. As for the use of Christian nationalist the rest of the US will meet Tim Dunn,Farris Wilks and the others soon enough and then they can tell them to stop calling themselves that and trying to establish a theocracy if they want because here in Texas they swept us over before we new they were even coming and didn't listen to anything we said.
 

ZNP

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Speak for yourself; because I have not left the Lord. Moreover, the economic and other policies I advocate are a matter of goodwill toward my fellow men; not some filthy politicking.
You only quoted half the sentence. It began by saying that we have been losing battles since Vietnam. Obviously those losses are not attributable solely to me or you, they are attributable to the nation as a whole and it isn't up for debate that we lost numerous battles since Vietnam, it is a matter of historical record.

Political movements don't do the job of the church; the church does the job of the church; and the political movement does the job of advocating for good government: However, in the process of advocating for good government (which is goodwill for your fellow-man.. which IS LOVE) people see that goodwill; and will want to know where it comes from.
Again, you began by only quoting part of the sentence. The fact is I am relating America being great again to a time when we were seen as being great by all other nations. That time is no longer and the reason is because the nation has left the Lord. You don't have to have all 350 million people to leave the Lord for it to be the case with the nation and the leadership of the nation. Having policies that are
"good" will not cause the US to return to greatness. It will only come if we repent of sins like Abortion and return to the Lord. That is not going to happen from the Democrats, the Republicans, the RINOs or MAGA. It is not part of any political platform.

The church is supposed to play a role, but we were seen as great politically for the way we helped Japan after the war and the way we helped Europe. That wasn't the church, that was the government policies and leaders.
 

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I do wonder what GW would think. George Washington, that is. I see they've uncovered 35 glass bottles of perfectly preserved cherries at his home, and in 8 more years, he'd turned 300 years old in February.
Here's a small excerpt of his concern:
His 1796 farewell address became a preeminent statement on republicanism in which he wrote about the importance of national unity and the dangers that regionalism, partisanship, and foreign influence pose to it.
:unsure:
 

FollowerofShiloh

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It makes wonder though if Tim Scott is just being used in the VP possibles list? How long will it take until it comes up that Scott voted to "certify Biden's election 2020" and agreed with M. Pence?
Anyone is better than Rubio. Even though I am years away from eligibility, knowing that Rubio wants to end Social Security Benefits makes him someone who should be voted out of any possible decision making role.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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It makes wonder though if Tim Scott is just being used in the VP possibles list? How long will it take until it comes up that Scott voted to "certify Biden's election 2020" and agreed with M. Pence?
I think it would be wise if Trump chose a Black human being for vp and Ben Carson would grab even more potential Black Voters that Trump seems to have gained since becoming a Felon.

But is Trump intelligent enough to do such a thing?

He's good at increasing my hedge funds but as a policy maker he's kind of an idiot.
 

iamsoandso

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Anyone is better than Rubio. Even though I am years away from eligibility, knowing that Rubio wants to end Social Security Benefits makes him someone who should be voted out of any possible decision making role.

I'm from Texas and so they discuss leaving the US all the time. One of the biggest hurdles to getting people to agree to it would be that if they voted yes to it they would loose their SS retirements(and others) because they would no longer be US citizens(they would have to denounce citizenship) so it always throws up red flags if someone speaks of ending it. In the T Scott issue here is his statement after he voted to certify Biden... https://www.scott.senate.gov/media-...ement-on-january-6-joint-session-of-congress/
 

FollowerofShiloh

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I'm from Texas and so they discuss leaving the US all the time. One of the biggest hurdles to getting people to agree to it would be that if they voted yes to it they would loose their SS retirements(and others) because they would no longer be US citizens(they would have to denounce citizenship) so it always throws up red flags if someone speaks of ending it. In the T Scott issue here is his statement after he voted to certify Biden... https://www.scott.senate.gov/media-...ement-on-january-6-joint-session-of-congress/
I always wondered about that myself whenever I read Texas becoming their own Nation. They will lose all national benefits.
 

iamsoandso

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I think it would be wise if Trump chose a Black human being for vp and Ben Carson would grab even more potential Black Voters that Trump seems to have gained since becoming a Felon.

But is Trump intelligent enough to do such a thing?

He's good at increasing my hedge funds but as a policy maker he's kind of an idiot.

Maybe so and he probably would be more logical as a choice. I have to admit though being from Texas my only hesitation would be Carson's ties to the SDA's...
 

iamsoandso

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I always wondered about that myself whenever I read Texas becoming their own Nation. They will lose all national benefits.
Yep even those with 401k's would get 30% right off the top because the stock exchange is in the US and they would then be transferring it to another nation. I sort of use the "end SS speeches" as a litmus test because if they don't end those type things people will vote it down,,, if they end them first then the people have nothing to loose...
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Yep even those with 401k's would get 30% right off the top because the stock exchange is in the US and they would then be transferring it to another nation. I sort of use the "end SS speeches" as a litmus test because if they don't end those type things people will vote it down,,, if they end them first then the people have nothing to loose...
Talk about possible grounds for dictatorship and then stealing the citizens blind and turning into another 1960s Cuba.
As long as Texas is a State and part of the USA they have to behave. Becoming your own nation sounds good but I would be looking at the individual or individuals pushing this idea. They are definitely up to no good. The USA could send troops into Texas and take it back by force and then you're living in Martial Law. No wonder I see many Texans moving to Arizona and Colorado, besides the Fracking Industries.
 

iamsoandso

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Talk about possible grounds for dictatorship and then stealing the citizens blind and turning into another 1960s Cuba.
As long as Texas is a State and part of the USA they have to behave. Becoming your own nation sounds good but I would be looking at the individual or individuals pushing this idea. They are definitely up to no good. The USA could send troops into Texas and take it back by force and then you're living in Martial Law. No wonder I see many Texans moving to Arizona and Colorado, besides the Fracking Industries.

Yep Texas is a political mess at the moment hence my comment about the SDA's The links Ive given in the last several pages in this tread about T Dunn and Farris wilks is about just that they are plotting a total theocracy of Assembly of Yahweh 7th day. Texas has fallen to it's grip and now their going national they recruited Brad Parscale and had him generate AI post for X,Facebook and other Social Media and are being told to disclose all those who were paid to send the post(don't believe the millions of AI generated followers post they're AI)... https://www.texastribune.org/2024/06/18/texas-ethics-commission-influencers-political-ads/
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Yep Texas is a political mess at the moment hence my comment about the SDA's The links Ive given in the last several pages in this tread about T Dunn and Farris wilks is about just that they are plotting a total theocracy of Assembly of Yahweh 7th day. Texas has fallen to it's grip and now their going national they recruited Brad Parscale and had him generate AI post for X,Facebook and other Social Media and are being told to disclose all those who were paid to send the post(don't believe the millions of AI generated followers post they're AI)... https://www.texastribune.org/2024/06/18/texas-ethics-commission-influencers-political-ads/
AI, so Republicans are officially using Satan as their method to win now. The article includes Trump using this technology. Like I already said in posts about a week ago whoever wins the Presidency will be handing us over to the AC. Trump and the Republicans seem to have a first hand knowledge and experience playing with the AC's technology. Not shocking at all actually. Why I am not voting this election. I want no part of placing Satan's Puppet into office.
 

ZNP

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AI, so Republicans are officially using Satan as their method to win now. The article includes Trump using this technology. Like I already said in posts about a week ago whoever wins the Presidency will be handing us over to the AC. Trump and the Republicans seem to have a first hand knowledge and experience playing with the AC's technology. Not shocking at all actually. Why I am not voting this election. I want no part of placing Satan's Puppet into office.
Of course AI would be used to win elections. Anyone paying for AI and designing AI has to appreciate its value at pushing propaganda and manipulating public opinion. AI is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it is designed to make us like God being omniscient, to be wise like God, and the result will be that man will be expelled from the garden. Once they have AI and deep fakes democracy will be dead and gone. Humans will be like cattle to the elites, and they will brand those that belong to them and kill those that don't.
 

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First 4 minutes of the video:

1976 speaking of an elite authoritarianism that had to come and their arbitrary standards which without God is all they can have.

The mess was seen coming. Would have to go back through it but there's one spot where he speaks of media or something that we now see can be applied to AI and things he could not have seen clearly except in principle.
 

iamsoandso

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AI, so Republicans are officially using Satan as their method to win now. The article includes Trump using this technology. Like I already said in posts about a week ago whoever wins the Presidency will be handing us over to the AC. Trump and the Republicans seem to have a first hand knowledge and experience playing with the AC's technology. Not shocking at all actually. Why I am not voting this election. I want no part of placing Satan's Puppet into office.
hmm,, I myself wouldn't just pin the tail on the Republicans because if you knew much about the seven mountain's doctrine "Government" being one of 7 mountains means both parties are fair game to these people. They don't refer to it as a civil war among the Republicans in Texas for nothing they rose up in the R. party but it's getting pretty obvious that to them that's just a word(a useful tool).
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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my puzzlement, is how people seem to have forgotten that it is actually the Democrats that were segregationists, pro-slavery, were the KKK and the original thought behind abortion, was the 'alarming' rate at which black women were having babies.

a short history of abortion: (aka Planned Parenthood makes its entrance)

On October 16, 1916, Sanger — together with her sister Ethel Byrne and activist Fania Mindell — opened the country’s first birth control clinic in Brownsville, Brooklyn. Women lined the block to get birth control information and advice.
Nine days later, police raided the clinic and shut it down. All three women were charged with crimes related to sharing birth control information. Sanger refused to pay the fine and spent 30 days in jail, where she educated other inmates about birth control.
Although the Brownsville clinic was shut down, Sanger went on to travel the country to share her vision — a vision that had deeply harmful blind spots.
Sanger believed in eugenics — an inherently racist and ableist ideology that labeled certain people unfit to have children. Eugenics is the theory that society can be improved through planned breeding for “desirable traits” like intelligence and industriousness. In the early 20th century, eugenic ideas were popular among highly educated, privileged, and mostly white Americans. Margaret Sanger pronounced her belief in and alignment with the eugenics movement many times in her writings, especially in the scientific journal Birth Control Review.

At times, Sanger tried to argue for eugenics that was not applied based on race or religion. But in a society built on the belief of white supremacy, physical and mental fitness are always judged based on race. Eugenics, therefore, is inherently racist. She held beliefs that, from the very beginning, undermined her movement for reproductive freedom and caused harm to countless people.
Sanger was so intent on her mission to advocate for birth control that she chose to align herself with ideas and organizations that were ableist and white supremacist. In 1926, she spoke to the women’s auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) at a rally in New Jersey to promote birth control methods. Sanger endorsed the 1927 Buck v. Bell decision, in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that states could forcibly sterilize people deemed “unfit” without their consent and sometimes without their knowledge. The acceptance of this decision by Sanger and other thought leaders laid the foundation for tens of thousands of people to be sterilized, often against their will.

my comment:

I would think it important to look up EUGENICS and what that is all about as well as the forcible sterilization of blacks AND the medical experimentation on black men such as the Tuskegee syphilis study

When I read about and did research on those things, I was actually a little sick to my stomach. I am not American and Canada, with all of its problems, does not share this heritage and I had no idea it was this bad.
Winner plus a standing O, thank you for pointing out these facts. I'm from Canada, living state side. Some of these things boggle my mind too. Why would blacks or Jews ever vote for a Dem is just beyond me.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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hmm,, I myself wouldn't just pin the tail on the Republicans because if you knew much about the seven mountain's doctrine "Government" being one of 7 mountains means both parties are fair game to these people. They don't refer to it as a civil war among the Republicans in Texas for nothing they rose up in the R. party but it's getting pretty obvious that to them that's just a word(a useful tool).
I agree with you (y)