Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

The most dangerous ones I think are hidden in the shadows. They are not elected so we cannot vote them out. Never the less they being the money behind our favorite puppets bid their deeds in secret.

they may think that way, but that would be the reverse of the reason for the Magna Carta. Those dudes are at another level...prob imagine themselves to be bathing in cream

I think you may very well be right about Trump....I mean look at all the mistakes he made in his first term....he had O spies all over him like flies to honey...or the other thing. I'm not a politician, but practical experience should surely tell you that you are sleeping with the enemy? haha....sleep with one eye open when in the WH

we saw some silly things back then....you must remember that so called 'prophetess'...what's her name...Paula White....she put her hands on him and prayed and basically told him a bad rendition of his future...what I call 'Christian fortune telling'....which, in case anyone missed it, did not happen

obviously I could have alot to say here...I'll stop

nah...they are very natural for fallen mankind...but that's a topic for another thread

people in both houses (not everyone but they are working on it) run after money like a hound putting a squirrel up a tree

here! here! the money is here

it's all so disgusting

that spirit is still alive and well it would seem

and of course France who always needs someone to rescue them from themselves, and is prob still afraid of Germany since they did not rescue themselves.....the ICC is a post WWII invention whose only purpose is to pose as the model for justice while wearing cheap knock-off clothes

I'm onna roll but I understand the question

Lefty “Christians” here hit hardest:

https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1802808074945572925

Just curious what the ratio was before Trump became a Felon

Not trying to be funny but just curious if the numbers switched since Trump's conviction.

If anything, black support has only grown since the transparently wrong conviction, as many blacks are too familiar with a justice system run amok.

my puzzlement, is how people seem to have forgotten that it is actually the Democrats that were segregationists, pro-slavery, were the KKK and the original thought behind abortion, was the 'alarming' rate at which black women were having babies.

a short history of abortion: (aka Planned Parenthood makes its entrance)

On October 16, 1916, Sanger — together with her sister Ethel Byrne and activist Fania Mindell — opened the country’s first birth control clinic in Brownsville, Brooklyn. Women lined the block to get birth control information and advice.
Nine days later, police raided the clinic and shut it down. All three women were charged with crimes related to sharing birth control information. Sanger refused to pay the fine and spent 30 days in jail, where she educated other inmates about birth control.
Although the Brownsville clinic was shut down, Sanger went on to travel the country to share her vision — a vision that had deeply harmful blind spots.
Sanger believed in eugenics — an inherently racist and ableist ideology that labeled certain people unfit to have children. Eugenics is the theory that society can be improved through planned breeding for “desirable traits” like intelligence and industriousness. In the early 20th century, eugenic ideas were popular among highly educated, privileged, and mostly white Americans. Margaret Sanger pronounced her belief in and alignment with the eugenics movement many times in her writings, especially in the scientific journal Birth Control Review.

At times, Sanger tried to argue for eugenics that was not applied based on race or religion. But in a society built on the belief of white supremacy, physical and mental fitness are always judged based on race. Eugenics, therefore, is inherently racist. She held beliefs that, from the very beginning, undermined her movement for reproductive freedom and caused harm to countless people.
Sanger was so intent on her mission to advocate for birth control that she chose to align herself with ideas and organizations that were ableist and white supremacist. In 1926, she spoke to the women’s auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) at a rally in New Jersey to promote birth control methods. Sanger endorsed the 1927 Buck v. Bell decision, in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that states could forcibly sterilize people deemed “unfit” without their consent and sometimes without their knowledge. The acceptance of this decision by Sanger and other thought leaders laid the foundation for tens of thousands of people to be sterilized, often against their will.

my comment:

I would think it important to look up EUGENICS and what that is all about as well as the forcible sterilization of blacks AND the medical experimentation on black men such as the Tuskegee syphilis study

When I read about and did research on those things, I was actually a little sick to my stomach. I am not American and Canada, with all of its problems, does not share this heritage and I had no idea it was this bad.

A bit of a complicated answer.

It is astounding that not every single black American doesn't vote Republican, as Abraham Lincoln, and the GOP are almost entirely responsible for defeating the Democrats that wanted to keep slavery. Even MLK certainly understood this fact.

But part of it, is a different type of slavery. Democrat President Lyndon Baines Johnson is notorious for saying aboard Air Force One, "We'll have the N-word voting Democrat for the next 200 yrs" in talking about instituting the 'Great Society" with crippling welfare programs that told the recipients they would get significantly more money and benefits if they DID NOT have married fathers in the homes. ( OF COURSE the corrupt media, and IT companies, along with the Dems say it didn't happen) IT ABSOLUTELY DID!

This devastated the black family.

My 1st job I worked with a black guy I went to High School with. This was before I knew squat about politics. But I did know that most blacks voted Democrat, and I was befuddled, even back in the early 80s, as to why that would be. So I asked him.

His response completely puzzled me, and has stuck with me ever since.


He simply said, "They give us more".

So now you have 3 and 4 generations of mostly illegitimate black Americans that are literally trapped in inner cities, on gov assistance, incapable of making their own way in life, and failed schools. (Of course Democrats fight tooth and nail against school choice).

It's a terrible, and destructive cycle that ALL Americans should be outraged that the Dems put in place. My heart aches for all those people trapped.

This is probably a dumb question because I know practically nothing about politics, but why has a third party never been elected as president? Is there just never a person with good enough ideas that ran third party or is it more complicated than that?

Because the system's rigged. The two major parties have all the financial backing. They have all the career politicians which people seem to gravitate toward for good or for ill. I voted for Trump in 2016 because he was an outsider; looking back on it now that was an enormous mistake. I've had to reluctantly rethink my "outsider is better" thinking; we should probably stick with people who know what they're doing in the political arena. Besides all this, the two parties have made it very difficult for third-party candidates to get on the ballot. If you can secure the nomination of one of the two parties, you're home free. Otherwise you have to jump through all kinds of hoops, which for most people just isn't worth it. You can run as a write-in, but you probably won't get any traction. Like it or not, most people just feel more secure voting for someone with enough cred to be on an official ballot.

If there was a third or fourth choice on the ballot I'd have no problem voting for them if they seemed up to the job.

Just out of curiosity who would you Want to vote for If Donald Trump wasn’t there?

I wish DeSantis had won the primary. In 2016, I liked Cruz. But I don't necessarily believe they would have faired better than Trump did. Setting aside all the oddities, Trump had a very successful presidency. The economy was booming, record employment across all ethnic groups, jobs returning from overseas, no wars, less regulation, less crime, less human trafficking, less drug overdoses. In short, people were more free of government and had more at their disposal to enjoy their freedom.

I did not know that about Johnson. Reminds me of Biden saying 'if you don't vote for me, you ain't black'

History repeats itself. When you really think about it, you come to the conclusion that the Blacks are getting something from the Democrats that the Republicans did not promise.

Is there anyone as mean to the Blacks as they are to themselves? That new mayor in Chicago......we say things like 'they're crazy' when in fact the whole thing is a well planned demonic response to what this country once stood for.

The entrapment is in the mind and that is true of every person on this planet until Christ sets us free but even then we are to renew our minds by the word. It's no wonder I feel like I am in some kind of 'wait' mode.

Yeah, but like you say, they will get there eventually lol.

Interesting. That's pretty much what I thought the reasons were. The whole system seems like it's meant to force you to vote for 2 specific choices that are both corrupt. So regardless of which side you vote for, it's all going as planned.

You get the illusion of choice

MAGA has been about economic/civic nationalism since before Trump began his initial campaign. "great again" as in, before neoconservatism. The current "old gaurd" are neoconservatives who do NOT represent the origins of the GOP in any way, shape or form.

Now when someone tries to say it's about "white supremacy"; that's when neocons will be lumped in with the democrats; because the neocons should know better than to pull that garbage. White ethno-nationalists have discourse with the political right; that doesn't mean they have influence, any more than "log cabin" gay conservatives can turn straight conservatives gay. We have common economic interests and other policy interests. It's not that hard to understand.

The number of actual theocrats is as small as the number of actual white supremacists. Both are marginal; And even their leaders know that their ideologies are not compatible with reality. So, if somebody is going to label a christian- who is also a nationalist, as a "christian nationalist" and conflate them with actual theocrats- it is unacceptable.

Honestly; I'm not even a full-blown peacemonger; but the current generation of neocons has taken interventionism to a level of stupid that nobody can justify.

MAGA has been a long time coming; the sentiment among the GOP constituency, for a very long time has been that the party does not represent the constituency's interests.

What made America great were men of faith who were led by the Lord. It wasn't "conservative" policies or economic policies that favor capitalism, etc. The reason the US is no longer "great" having lost battle after battle since Vietnam is because we have left the Lord. MAGA is not pushing for a confession of sins and repentance, there is no push to return to the Lord. So it isn't going to "make America great again"