Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"
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But he did not create some to be saved and some to be wicked. If He did the wicked are off the hook. God can't send them to hell if He created them to be what they are, wicked. He can't blame them for what they are.
Yes, the wicked will be destroyed because they chose not to follow God. Not because God created them to be destroyed.
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No, I said your interpretation of it is perverse.
No, they were damned from the beginning according to you. Before they had the chance to sin.So if God creates evil, He cannot be angry if they do what He created them to do.
Then if God creates evil, He cannot be angry for people doing what He created them to do. If God created sin, then He cannot justly punish anyone because He created them to sin.
No, they were damned from the beginning according to you. Before they had the chance to sin.So if God creates evil, He cannot be angry if they do what He created them to do.
Then if God creates evil, He cannot be angry for people doing what He created them to do. If God created sin, then He cannot justly punish anyone because He created them to sin.
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Christ's death is sufficient to save everybody but it is not designed to do so, it is so designed to repel the wicked proud and is made attractive to whom He will save even against their will [for we did all at one time look the other way]
What we are in dispute about is whether God ever preplanned that man would be wicked and proud. Foreknowing is not fore planning.
God fore planned salvation in the light of fore knowledge. He did not fore plan damnation ... it is something that is just so, it just is, a fact that we have to come to terms with.
Our election unto blessedness was made before all worlds began, that is before creation, but hell was created for the devil and his angels.
the rest of your post is foolishness.
What we are in dispute about is whether God ever preplanned that man would be wicked and proud. Foreknowing is not fore planning.
God fore planned salvation in the light of fore knowledge. He did not fore plan damnation ... it is something that is just so, it just is, a fact that we have to come to terms with.
Our election unto blessedness was made before all worlds began, that is before creation, but hell was created for the devil and his angels.
the rest of your post is foolishness.
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... shall destroy the city and the sanctuary [not the Jews] we know the temple was destroyed as Jesus had foretold.
The Jews were not destroyed they were scattered as prophesied "I will smite the Shepherd and scatter the sheep"
Daniel doesn't end in the 9th chapter.
Daniel 11. 40
AT he time of the end ....
Daniel 12
At that time shall Michael arise the mighty prince who has charge of your people and there shall be a time of trouble such as has never been since there was a nation till that time but at that time your people will be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And those that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament and those who turn many unto righteousness as the stars forever and ever. [The parable of the wise and foolish maidens]
All Israel, every Jew whoever lived will be raised up with the church at the first resurrection but some to shame and contempt [the unwise,] and some to enter the 1, 000 year reign to turn many to righteousness [the wise]
The Jews were not destroyed they were scattered as prophesied "I will smite the Shepherd and scatter the sheep"
Daniel doesn't end in the 9th chapter.
Daniel 11. 40
AT he time of the end ....
Daniel 12
At that time shall Michael arise the mighty prince who has charge of your people and there shall be a time of trouble such as has never been since there was a nation till that time but at that time your people will be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And those that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament and those who turn many unto righteousness as the stars forever and ever. [The parable of the wise and foolish maidens]
All Israel, every Jew whoever lived will be raised up with the church at the first resurrection but some to shame and contempt [the unwise,] and some to enter the 1, 000 year reign to turn many to righteousness [the wise]
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What you fail to understand is
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It was the seed of Isaac, not Ishmael, who delivered up our Lord to be crucified. The children of the promise, they are an elect people. Election does not depend upon what we do whether we do right or wrong. It depends upon God's sovereign will only.
Their election includes this glorious fact, that whatever they do, whether good or evil, God will turn it about to bring forth His good and perfect will. This is shown in the story of Joseph and even more gloriously and wonderfully in the story of Christ crucified.
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Although Ishmael is cast out with his mother Hagar he was not cursed ... he was blessed.
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It was the seed of Isaac, not Ishmael, who delivered up our Lord to be crucified. The children of the promise, they are an elect people. Election does not depend upon what we do whether we do right or wrong. It depends upon God's sovereign will only.
Their election includes this glorious fact, that whatever they do, whether good or evil, God will turn it about to bring forth His good and perfect will. This is shown in the story of Joseph and even more gloriously and wonderfully in the story of Christ crucified.
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Although Ishmael is cast out with his mother Hagar he was not cursed ... he was blessed.
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https://hebrew.jerusalemprayerteam.org/eternal-everlasting/
https://www.thejc.com/judaism/jewish-words/olam-iu3wlni4#:~:text=Olam has a diverse set,meaning to hide or conceal.
You can see from the above that it is not a good idea to insist that 'oLaM must mean everlasting, when there are other Hebrew words that mean everlasting (NeTzaCh, NitsChi) and when 'oLaM has such a wide semantic range that is not limited to "an endless age".
Therefore you are overreacting to claim that Gd's faithfulness would be toast if He ended an 'oLaM covenant with a particular race.
https://www.thejc.com/judaism/jewish-words/olam-iu3wlni4#:~:text=Olam has a diverse set,meaning to hide or conceal.
You can see from the above that it is not a good idea to insist that 'oLaM must mean everlasting, when there are other Hebrew words that mean everlasting (NeTzaCh, NitsChi) and when 'oLaM has such a wide semantic range that is not limited to "an endless age".
Therefore you are overreacting to claim that Gd's faithfulness would be toast if He ended an 'oLaM covenant with a particular race.
Rom 9:21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
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The Church are the true Jews who are free in Christ and not enslaved as Hagar and Jerusalem was in Paul's day.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise,
Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise,
Gal 4:24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
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God is light and in Him is no darkness. He is eternal and timeless, sees the past, present and future altogether at once and decreed that evil should come into the world at the choice of man by the deception of the devil to demonstrate His holy hatred of evil and His holy love in saving His people from that evil in Christ.
No one deserves mercy from God for all are sinners by who they are and not simply what they do therefore it is of awesome grace that God should choose any to be saved and suffer His own creatures to kill Him to secure salvation for those He as the Potter has chosen to save for the glory of His grace and the rest according to His will glorify His perfectly good, holy, righteous, eternal and just wrath.
If anyone does not yet understand this then they have not yet been granted by grace to be humbled to truly see the cross of Christ.
No one deserves mercy from God for all are sinners by who they are and not simply what they do therefore it is of awesome grace that God should choose any to be saved and suffer His own creatures to kill Him to secure salvation for those He as the Potter has chosen to save for the glory of His grace and the rest according to His will glorify His perfectly good, holy, righteous, eternal and just wrath.
If anyone does not yet understand this then they have not yet been granted by grace to be humbled to truly see the cross of Christ.
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if God fore planned salvation for those He has chosen as you have confirmed then what did He fore plan to save them from?
Was God taken by surprise by the Fall or did He fore know and decree it for His greater glory?
These are questions it seems you have not yet pondered.
Christ's death indeed in its nature and power could have saved absolutely every person but God choosing only some to be saved proves that it was not decreed to do so and therefore it is sufficient only for those to whom it is made efficient by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
Was God taken by surprise by the Fall or did He fore know and decree it for His greater glory?
These are questions it seems you have not yet pondered.
Christ's death indeed in its nature and power could have saved absolutely every person but God choosing only some to be saved proves that it was not decreed to do so and therefore it is sufficient only for those to whom it is made efficient by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
you continue to disregard the many Scriptures that state that those who God sees as truly being Jews are His remnant and not those who are circumcised of the flesh but of the heart (Rom 2:28-29) and the fact that Christ twice warned about imposters claiming to be Jews but are in fact of the Synagogue of Satan (Rev 2:9, 3:9) which is evidenced in the Talmudic Phariseeism of those who are only circumcised of the flesh today.
Those who claim to be Jews today have absolutely no proof of any connection of heritage to the Israel of old as all such records were destroyed in 70AD and along with them, the shadows and types of the temple and sacrifices which have been fulfilled in Christ in His New Covenant.
Either way, God does not save by race but only by grace which is given to His elect from all tribes, peoples, tongues and nations as was promised to Abraham.
Those who claim to be Jews today have absolutely no proof of any connection of heritage to the Israel of old as all such records were destroyed in 70AD and along with them, the shadows and types of the temple and sacrifices which have been fulfilled in Christ in His New Covenant.
Either way, God does not save by race but only by grace which is given to His elect from all tribes, peoples, tongues and nations as was promised to Abraham.
first to be elect was Abraham ... others were saved through their connection with Abraham.
Yes, yes tired arguments. Hitler knew who were Jews. Only a FOOL would have claimed to be Jewish in Europe during the 30s and 40s if he were not in fact a Jew. Nor have they changed during 2, 000 years, their appearance and mannerisms have been captured in art down through the centuries.
Yes, yes tired arguments. Hitler knew who were Jews. Only a FOOL would have claimed to be Jewish in Europe during the 30s and 40s if he were not in fact a Jew. Nor have they changed during 2, 000 years, their appearance and mannerisms have been captured in art down through the centuries.
yes yes bring out your dictionaries
Let the Holy Spirit breathe into you the meaning of everlasting life.
also consider the nature of our God, whether He be one to renege.
also when you say a particular race the fact is God elected the Jews and Paul has taught us that this election is irrevocable [look that one up in your dictionary] and look up BELOVED for that is how God describes the Jews though they be enemies of the gospel.
Let the Holy Spirit breathe into you the meaning of everlasting life.
also consider the nature of our God, whether He be one to renege.
also when you say a particular race the fact is God elected the Jews and Paul has taught us that this election is irrevocable [look that one up in your dictionary] and look up BELOVED for that is how God describes the Jews though they be enemies of the gospel.
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