There will be no Rapture!!!

Yes. Tribulation saints.

The Church is gone gone gone, enjoying their "seven".....seven day/seven year honeymoon at the Fathers house.
To return with the Groom for the blessed wedding supper.

Nope. Israelites. Clearly.

@TheDivineWatermark will elaborate......I have to run.

Revelation shows 2 gatherings in Heaven of people in Heaven.

Chapter 7
Chapter 20


The Two Witnesses are the Church if the Tribulation happened today right now.

Many Jews come to Jesus in the End and you are eliminating them from being part of the Supper.

Isn't EVERYONE saved by Jesus equally eligible for the SUPPER?

The Jew only denies Jesus for the GENTILE's behalf right now. That's no reason to make them miss the SUPPER because God blinded them on purpose for the Gentile.

If there's no difference between Jew/Gentile, why are GENTILES making the Jew miss the SUPPER when they will come to Christ and [[only]] have not ((yet)) for the Gentile's benefit?

Many have been failing to realize that Jesus taught that passage to his 'Jewish disciples'.
Jewish! Jesus taught them as a good rabbi according to a Jewish framework..

What Matthew 24:38-41? It speaks about?
Jesus was not teaching Jews about the unknown future Church age Rapture.
He was prophesying about the removal of the tares from the wheat on earth!

Why?

For the promised "new earth" (the Millennium) will begin with only believers on earth!

All unbelievers will have been taken off before Jesus sets up His throne in Jerusalem.
And, just like with Noah and his family?
After leaving the Ark?
The earth will begin to be replenished with only believers!

The day my Pastor clarified that for us it ended my confusion over a Rapture issue.
It caused a deep sigh of relief in my soul.

So, I share it here for all who have ears to hear...

Grace and peace!

As for Chapter 20 (for now)... which verses are you speaking of?

V.4 or vv.11-15? (other?)

The wedding FEAST / SUPPER is located ON THE EARTH (it IS the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom);

How are you thinking (we're saying) that the many Jews who come to Jesus in the end (in the Trib years) would be EXCLUDED from the wedding FEAST / SUPPER... by any stretch of the imagination (as to what we're saying)?





THEY ENTER THE MK AGE! (the wedding FEAST / SUPPER)--Not "eliminating them from being part of" it!! NOT AT ALL!

(ALL "believers" [who'd come to faith IN/DURING/WITHIN the Trib yrs (FOLLOWING "our Rapture")] will ENTER THE MK AGE / the wedding SUPPER--NONE LEFT OUT! Why are you suggesting we're saying otherwise??)

Verse 4 They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years...the Beheaded.


11-15 is Judgement

So you agree with the 1,000 year Supper

I teach the same thing

As post tribulation?

^ @FollowerofShiloh , [re: your question in your Post #2289]

I said that... pages and pages ago.

"the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" = "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age"





(we are NOT being "raptured" IN ORDER TO ATTEND "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" as though it is located UP THERE. NO!--That is NOT the PURPOSE of "our Rapture," as many suppose... and is NOT what takes place immediately following "our Rapture" [again, that is NOT its PURPOSE])








["the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" IS NOT [equivalent to] "the MARRIAGE" itself!]

And what does this verse (anywhere) have to do with the location of them (once resurrected) being "in Heaven" (which is what I thought you were meaning)?






BOTH parts of the verse are speaking of persons ON EARTH:

--v.4a corresponds with the wording of Daniel 7:22 (located on the earth);

--v.4b speaks of those who were martyred / beheaded during the last half of the Trib yrs being resurrected FOR the [SAME], i.e. the earthly MK age (as to location)

AGREED!




[this is NOT a "rapture" passage, correct!]

You're doing it again...misrepresenting what I said and what I asked. I said nothing about raptured. The people on this earth will see the two witnesses rise up from death, and be taken up. The rapture of the Church will not be seen by the people of the earth. We will simply disappear from their site...period, in the twinkling of an eye.

Now, YOU are the one who stated that the two witnesses are masses of people, which would be in the millions, all being killed on the same day, all laying dead for three days, and then visibly raised back to life as witnessed by everyone on earth, seeing them lifted up from this earth.

Now, you want something of substance as to how just two men could have such a profound impact upon all the nations and people. Look at the Gaza situation, with kids who have never been personally affected by anything going on in Israel, and yet still protesting on all the major university campuses, protests and parades across all the nations, all supporting the terrorists and those who put them in power in Gaza. The Israeli's have the entire world up in arms and roiling like a hornet's nest, and you wonder how two men who would not be killed would have a similar effect, able to destroy any and all enemies who dare try to harm them and stop them from doing what they were set out to accomplish, and with people tormented internally over two men who have no effect upon them personally...in this victim mentality culture that has taken over all the populations around the world? The mental illness that's already in place all around the world makes all that possible! You seen it all yourself!

Come on, dude! Look at how things are aligning all around the world, with everything moving toward the POSSIBLE for these things to play out, contrary to what you seem to think is not possible. It is possible! It's happening right before our eyes on the daily basis right now!

MM

The Millennium is not ... 1007 years.
Its 1000.

To reign with Christ for 1000 years, and to say there is no Tribulation of seven years, prior?
That means the Tribulation will have to be 1007 years.

Some more to think about?

No no no. No I definitely am NOT saying that.
As I said: the primary purpose of the tribulation is the SALVATION OF THE NATION ISRAEL.

These saved Jews go on to enter the blessed wedding supper and millennial reign.
As do the tribulation saints.

1) No. The two witnesses are OBVIOUSLY Jews. Probably Moses and Elijah.
2) the tribulation will NEVER happen today. Why? Because the Church has not been raptured. Yet.

As soon (or very soon afterward) as the rapture happens, THEN (and only then) the man of sin is revealed.....and Revelation chapter 6 kicks into gear.

The Church is mentioned only in the first three chapters of Revelation.

Then for some reason?

The word "church" is gone from the rest of the book.

Where'd the church go?????????

When do you think the beheaded coming alive and reigning could ever take place other than the beginning of the 1,000 year Reign?

I don't recall ever making any claim about 1,007 years.