The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Life out of His Death!
Jn 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
What religionists don't know is that the death of Christ gives life to the world he died for, the world of God's Sheep.
Remember when Christ said this Jn 10:10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
The They are his sheep Vs 11
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
And that is the same World in Jn 6:33
Life comes to them, that world as a result of His Death as their Shepherd.
Jn 6:33
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
What religionists don't know is that the death of Christ gives life to the world he died for, the world of God's Sheep.
Remember when Christ said this Jn 10:10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
The They are his sheep Vs 11
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
And that is the same World in Jn 6:33
Life comes to them, that world as a result of His Death as their Shepherd.
It accomplished the appeasement of Gods Wrath!
People, for the whole world of persons that Christ died for, His Death for them did propitate Gods Wrath for them 1 Jn 2:1-2. God has no more wrath for them. Therefore, where the scripture speaks of people being under Gods Wrath Jn 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
So reasonably concluding, the ones that believes not, and are under Gods Wrath, can't be any Christ died for. 58
People, for the whole world of persons that Christ died for, His Death for them did propitate Gods Wrath for them 1 Jn 2:1-2. God has no more wrath for them. Therefore, where the scripture speaks of people being under Gods Wrath Jn 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
So reasonably concluding, the ones that believes not, and are under Gods Wrath, can't be any Christ died for. 58
Ok now were getting somewhere. The greek word for believe means much more then to just believe in something. Greek word is pisteuó
Pisteuo Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 243
Pisteuo Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 243
- to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
- of the thing believed
- to credit, have confidence
- in a moral or religious reference
- used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
- to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith 1bc) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith
- to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity.
- to be intrusted with a thing.
- of the thing believed
False comment, Christs sacrifice took away sins whether a person repents or not, its by no means dependent upon the doings of man, thats borderline blasphemy,
Heb 9 26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
May God have mercy on you friend for such a Christ dishonoring comment
Heb 9 26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
May God have mercy on you friend for such a Christ dishonoring comment
I read something from Chuck Swindoll regarding pistis (noun = believe):
yes ... also, if we would go back to OT writings (which are written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope – Rom 15:4). However, all in all, every blessing comes to us through the Lord Jesus Christ. In Ephesians, Paul tells us about the unsearchable riches of Christ (Eph 3:8) ... we will never reach the end of the riches of Christ ... not in this life, nor in eternity. He is that magnificent.
One of my favorite verses is Psalm 16:11 ... You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.
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"This word denotes confidence in the reliability of a person or thing and can describe one’s trust in a person’s word, a compact or treaty, or a deity (or deities). The term implies both knowledge and action. One may receive knowledge of a certain truth and may even offer verbal agreement, but “trust” or “confidence” is not said to be present until one’s behavior reflects that truth." ... (bold mine).
yes ... also, if we would go back to OT writings (which are written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope – Rom 15:4). However, all in all, every blessing comes to us through the Lord Jesus Christ. In Ephesians, Paul tells us about the unsearchable riches of Christ (Eph 3:8) ... we will never reach the end of the riches of Christ ... not in this life, nor in eternity. He is that magnificent.
One of my favorite verses is Psalm 16:11 ... You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.
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Jesus was talking to some folks who wanted to stone Him:
John 10:
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
32 Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?"
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '?
In vs 34, Jesus referred to Psalm 82 (read it - it's only 8 verses) ... God will judge those who are unjust judges. God refers to the unjust judges as "gods" (small "g"). God called them "gods", not to bring them honor, but to confront them because they were unjust in their judgments and showed partiality to the wicked (vss 1-2) ... then God instructed them to judge rightly (vss 3-4) ... God revealed the ignorance of unjust judges (vs 5) ... God pronounced judgment on the unjust judges (vss 6-7) ... the psalm ends with Asaph's prayer (vs 8). Psalm 82 is just as true today as it was when it was written long ago by Asaph.
continuing in John 10:
35 "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)
36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
The point Jesus makes here is that the folks who wanted to stone Him had no problem with what was written in Psalm 82 ... so what issue did they have when Jesus stated He is the Son of God.
37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38 "but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
We know, as well as those who wanted to stone Jesus knew, that Jesus did do the works of His Father ... miracle after miracle in the presence of many witnesses ... fulfillment of prophecies concerning Messiah ... if they don't want to believe what Jesus states about Himself, believe because of the works He did.
39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.
total rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus gave them every opportunity to believe ... and it was not that they could not "hear" what He was saying ... nor was it that they could not understand His words. Those who sought to stone Him flat out rejected. They heard His words ... they saw the miracles ... they rejected of their own volition.
wonderful truths to lay hold of.
God is so good to us!
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John 10:
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
32 Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?"
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '?
In vs 34, Jesus referred to Psalm 82 (read it - it's only 8 verses) ... God will judge those who are unjust judges. God refers to the unjust judges as "gods" (small "g"). God called them "gods", not to bring them honor, but to confront them because they were unjust in their judgments and showed partiality to the wicked (vss 1-2) ... then God instructed them to judge rightly (vss 3-4) ... God revealed the ignorance of unjust judges (vs 5) ... God pronounced judgment on the unjust judges (vss 6-7) ... the psalm ends with Asaph's prayer (vs 8). Psalm 82 is just as true today as it was when it was written long ago by Asaph.
continuing in John 10:
35 "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)
36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
The point Jesus makes here is that the folks who wanted to stone Him had no problem with what was written in Psalm 82 ... so what issue did they have when Jesus stated He is the Son of God.
37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38 "but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
We know, as well as those who wanted to stone Jesus knew, that Jesus did do the works of His Father ... miracle after miracle in the presence of many witnesses ... fulfillment of prophecies concerning Messiah ... if they don't want to believe what Jesus states about Himself, believe because of the works He did.
39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.
total rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus gave them every opportunity to believe ... and it was not that they could not "hear" what He was saying ... nor was it that they could not understand His words. Those who sought to stone Him flat out rejected. They heard His words ... they saw the miracles ... they rejected of their own volition.
wonderful truths to lay hold of.
God is so good to us!
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nope ... this thread is about brightfame52 ... which is why you rip verses from the context in which the Author of Scripture has placed the verses and you then re-write Scripture in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma ... which is eisegesis.
Instead of reading Scripture through the lens of your dogma, try reading your dogma through the lens of Scripture ... then you would understand Scripture just as the Author has written it and you would understand the error of your dogma.
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Exegesis and eisegesis are two conflicting approaches in Bible study. Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.
The opposite approach to Scripture is eisegesis, which is the interpretation of a passage based on a subjective, non-analytical reading. The word eisegesis literally means “to lead into,” which means the interpreter injects his own ideas into the text, making it mean whatever he wants.
Obviously, only exegesis does justice to the text. Eisegesis is a mishandling of the text and often leads to a misinterpretation. Exegesis is concerned with discovering the true meaning of the text, respecting its grammar, syntax, and setting. Eisegesis is concerned only with making a point, even at the expense of the meaning of words.
Instead of reading Scripture through the lens of your dogma, try reading your dogma through the lens of Scripture ... then you would understand Scripture just as the Author has written it and you would understand the error of your dogma.
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Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ...
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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John 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
clearly, if someone believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, he or she will not die in their sins.
... re-writing Scripture because you do not believe Scripture as written:
1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Just read what is written and believe it ... just as the Author of Scripture has written it ... no need to add man's words to God's Word.
... "them He died for" ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world, brightfame52. You know the verses and if you need a reminder, see Post 2698.
Hebrews 10:10 and Hebrews 10:14 relate to the comers (Heb 10:1) ... the worshippers (Heb 10:2).
Hebrews 10:10 contrasts the offerings under the old covenant which could never take away sins and had to be made over and over with the one offering of the Lord Jesus Christ under the new covenant. The Lord Jesus Christ does not get back up on the cross over and over and over.
The Lord Jesus Christ died once:
Romans 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
the death of the Lord Jesus Christ once is sufficient to cover all the sins of all descendants of Adam.
According to Hebrews 10:1, the descendants of Adam who are the comers are sanctified (Heb 10:10) and begin to be brought to a state of completion (Heb 10:14).
According to Hebrews 10:2, the descendants of Adam who are the worshippers are sanctified (Heb 10:10) and begin to be brought to a state of completion (Heb 10:14).
The descendants of Adam who do not come and who do not worship are not sanctified because there is no other offering that can take away sin ... there is only One Offering for sin ... the Lord Jesus Christ.
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clearly, if someone believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, he or she will not die in their sins.
... re-writing Scripture because you do not believe Scripture as written:1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Just read what is written and believe it ... just as the Author of Scripture has written it ... no need to add man's words to God's Word.
... "them He died for" ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world, brightfame52. You know the verses and if you need a reminder, see Post 2698.Hebrews 10:10 and Hebrews 10:14 relate to the comers (Heb 10:1) ... the worshippers (Heb 10:2).
Hebrews 10:10 contrasts the offerings under the old covenant which could never take away sins and had to be made over and over with the one offering of the Lord Jesus Christ under the new covenant. The Lord Jesus Christ does not get back up on the cross over and over and over.
The Lord Jesus Christ died once:
Romans 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
the death of the Lord Jesus Christ once is sufficient to cover all the sins of all descendants of Adam.
According to Hebrews 10:1, the descendants of Adam who are the comers are sanctified (Heb 10:10) and begin to be brought to a state of completion (Heb 10:14).
According to Hebrews 10:2, the descendants of Adam who are the worshippers are sanctified (Heb 10:10) and begin to be brought to a state of completion (Heb 10:14).
The descendants of Adam who do not come and who do not worship are not sanctified because there is no other offering that can take away sin ... there is only One Offering for sin ... the Lord Jesus Christ.
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