Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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Susanna

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That's your problem @seed_time_harvest, you disagree with facts. I didn't share my opinion here. Everything stated is true and easily verifiable. This shows your bias, as anyone is free to have their own opinion, but facts aren't negotiable. Something is either true, or it is not.
Everything I shared is true, and verifiable.
The jury unanimously found that it wasn’t legal expenses, but a reimbursement of Trump’s former lawyer, Cohen. The jury had to choose between two very trustable men.😂😂😂
 
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If Trump didn't want to be judged by a jury of his peers in Manhattan, he shouldn't have committed crimes there. It's always everyone else's fault but his own.
oh that's deep. we can learn so much from such wisdom......(snickers and is not apologetic)

he lived in NYC.
 
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he should not have been sleeping with porn stars while his wife was pregnant, and instead of trying to cover up and deny his sin, he should confess it and repent.
While I do not know if he really did that or not, I would certainly agree that Trumps escapades with women is hardly up for denial.

So even though Clinton pulled his pants down in the oval office and used that office like a red district honky tonk bar, that was ok

I don't think you and several others here know how to evaluate and verify, not to mention consider both sides and their intent.

I guess we'll just conclude with Jesus words to the woman caught in adultery on that one

Trump is not running on moral issues.

Biden, on the other hand, IS a moral issue

Did you miss this? fome my post # 6665

The left found him guilty before any trial occurred. Tell us please; how do you turn a state case that was never a case and never bothered with by any other person in the legal system in NYC, into a Federal case?

And having performed that magic trick, how do you then try said case when it is past its statue of limitations?

what is a statue of limitations? This is a criminal statute of limitations. The main purpose of this criminal law is to ensure that evidence leading to a conviction has not deteriorated over a period of time. After a specified amount of time passes, the criminal case can no longer go to trial. oops

the only manipulations are those engendered by Bragg, and the judge who played to his audience

do you not consider the facts? don't bother trying to say Trump this or that. the entire LEGAL point is that a case was fabricated....should not have been brought...was never Federal and to top it off, Bragg does not have the legal right to try a Federal case whether or not he manufactured it

you do not even have to ask the question if Trump is guilty or not. The actual trial itself was unlawful
 

Cameron143

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The jury unanimously found that it wasn’t legal expenses, but a reimbursement of Trump’s former lawyer, Cohen. The jury had to choose between two very trustable men.😂😂😂
That leads into other areas of the case concerning jury selection which we touched on, and the actions of the prosecutor and the judge in the case.
 

ZNP

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The jury unanimously found that it wasn’t legal expenses, but a reimbursement of Trump’s former lawyer, Cohen. The jury had to choose between two very trustable men.😂😂😂
No. If the jury determines that neither is to be trusted then you cannot conclude guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The choice the jury makes is not between innocent and guilty, it is between "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and "reasonable doubt".
 

Cameron143

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No. If the jury determines that neither is to be trusted then you cannot conclude guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The choice the jury makes is not between innocent and guilty, it is between "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and "reasonable doubt".
Good point.
 

Susanna

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No. If the jury determines that neither is to be trusted then you cannot conclude guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The choice the jury makes is not between innocent and guilty, it is between "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and "reasonable doubt".
If you’re right it will be reversed on appeal. Case closed.
 

ZNP

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If you’re right it will be reversed on appeal. Case closed.
Yes, but that is also why we don't do these trials during election years because the appeal will not conclude prior to the election.

If the ruling is reversed on appeal can he sue for damages?

This is what is known as lawfare. You don't have to be guilty of a crime for you to suffer the consequences.

The very fact they are holding this trial so close to the election is a crime in itself. If they had done this a year ago it already would have been overturned on appeal and that would have given Trump a boost. They know that, so not only is this a crime to damage his campaign it is premeditated crime.
 

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No. If the jury determines that neither is to be trusted then you cannot conclude guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The choice the jury makes is not between innocent and guilty, it is between "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and "reasonable doubt".
The presumption of innocence remains if not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
 

ZNP

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The presumption of innocence remains if not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
That is not something a jury decides, it is a constitutional right to American citizens.

You begin the deliberation with the assumption of innocence and the trial must provide overwhelming evidence of guilt that is beyond reasonable doubt. If it doesn't then you rule "not guilty". The jury never rules "innocent".
 

ZNP

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Oh my goodness, you think she’s going to sue me now?
Who knows, that is up to her. But it does mean that we don't have to support your attempt at misappropriating her name.

I suspect she would not like your damaging her image as a legal expert.
 

HeIsHere

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That is not something a jury decides, it is a constitutional right to American citizens.

You begin the deliberation with the assumption of innocence and the trial must provide overwhelming evidence of guilt that is beyond reasonable doubt. If it doesn't then you rule "not guilty". The jury never rules "innocent".
Agree, neither do they rule you in a status of "reasonable doubt" which is not quantifiable.
 

HeIsHere

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Who knows, that is up to her. But it does mean that we don't have to support your attempt at misappropriating her name.

I suspect she would not like your damaging her image as a legal expert.
lol
 

Susanna

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Who knows, that is up to her. But it does mean that we don't have to support your attempt at misappropriating her name.

I suspect she would not like your damaging her image as a legal expert.
Maybe I should cross the Rio Grande tonight. Be a fugitive in Mexico to escape legal persecution.
 

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Maybe I should cross the Rio Grande tonight. Be a fugitive in Mexico to escape legal persecution.
Ooh! Can you ship me some bottles of Coke when you get there? I hear it tastes better if it comes from Mexico.