Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"

to deny that God ordains all things including the salvation of His elect by way of His grace and the damnation of the wicked by way of their sin unto His greater glory is a denial of the plain truth of Holy Scripture and you seek to deny this because it does not fit into your Amyraldian point of view which proposes a hypothetical universalism based upon a false assumption that Christ's sacrifice is sufficient to save every person who believes without realising that not all are given belief to be saved.

Indeed, no man is tempted by God as James confirms below.

Jas 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.

but Christ confirmed in His example of prayer to pray to the Father not to lead us into temptation which means not to hand us over to our lusts to fall into temptation which God does often to chasten His children and also to the greater deamination of the wicked.

The word reprobate which Scripture uses does not fit into your inconsistent theological view because you have been persuaded by the man-centred false gospel which prevails over the world today in judgement that God loves everyone, even those He casts into Hell and sincerely desires to save all because they all supposedly still bear the image and likeness of God and therefore deny the doctrine of original sin and with it the foundation of the Gospel.

Was Pink wrong below?

Paul also said that not all Israel is Israel meaning that only the remnant among Israel will be saved which are those not circumcised of the flesh but of the heart who are the true seed of Abraham regardless of nationality. God saves by grace and not by race!

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The only true Jew today is he who is a born again Christian of the New Covenant. All those who claim to be so today without Christ are as Christ twice confirmed, imposters of the Synagogue of Satan (Rev 2:9, 3:9).

You don't think that we're all misunderstanding each other, in this Thread?

We seem to be going around in circles!

God wants repentance, I don't think anyone could argue that. As is typical of google, a quick search of the "sign of Jonah" returned a wikipedia entry. It stated, "The sign of Jonah has different meanings in Judaism and Christianity. In Judaism, the story represents the teaching of teshuva, which is the ability to repent and be forgiven by God." It seems to me the ability to repent is inherent in the people Nineveh even if the idea didn't originate from them and they had to have a messenger come to them saying, "repent!" In their case, it was Jonah.

However, Jesus is greater than Jonah so, how much should we put our goats in sackcloth and ashes (not God requires that) to display our repentance. I might not remember it correctly but, I don't recall God asking them for that, putting their animals in sackcloth and ashes that is, so they went through a lot of trouble to make sure God noticed how repentant they were. They showed the extent of their belief in God's forgiveness, and were not disappointed, even though Jonah was, because He believed as much.

Pride gets in the way of repentance, yes, since humility is built into it.

Good one but I think Matthew 12:34 has nothing to do with faith. It’s about the fruit. It’s man's nature to talk things against the will of God. God would certainly not enable him for he was nothing yet. The Holy Spirit and the gospel work rather to convict and declare God’s offer of salvation thus man needs to repent and receive God’s plan of salvation. “Whosoever” which sets the condition in the salvation plan and offer means to either receive or reject, believe or will not believe. I don’t think salvation is an achievement that it requires something. The Holy Spirit and the word of God are indeed instruments but only to pronounce someone guilty and the other to provide a way of salvation yet they cannot force anyone. But what remains is that the “…gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth…” Romans 1:16 yet not everyone presented with the gospel believes and that would make a person’s choice.

Alteration or change of the natural man is already the product and is not the cause. Hence, salvation is by grace through faith.

Your verse on this, please. Thank you

They will be.

God does not deal with Israel as He does with us. He deals with them as a nation. They fell as a nation and they will rise as a nation.
They will look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him and God will pour upon them a spirit of compassion and of supplication and the whole nation will pray. Zechariah.

Are YOU elect? can you lose your election? If God can renege on Israel He might renege on you ... not thinkable.

They are enemies of the gospel for our sakes but as touching ELECTION they are beloved for the father's sake for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. It is the enemies who God calls beloved, not the remnant.

God said to Abe "look at the stars innumerable, so shall your seed"

"look at the sand of the sea shore innumerable, so shall your seed be" There you have it the heavenly seed and the earthly seed, the natural seed have promises made to them which do not belong to the church, the ends of the earth as a possession. We are the heavenly seed and heaven is our long-time home.

in other words God does not tempt us ... but really He does. God you say is in league with the devil, they work side by side.

God has no truc with sin or the devil. Get THAT wrong and you get the gospel wrong.

The church is an predestinated and elect people to become the body of Christ. All others will be judged with equity.

If you think the sheep of Matthew 25 are the church you transgress your own theology for they are judged by their works.

Hey, wait a second. Let’s consider this: Everyone has free will. We all must choose at some point. I don’t believe God has ever predestined anyone to be damned. Yes, some were chosen by God before the foundation of the world because they loved God (they chose God then), and these He called. Let’s read it again in Romans 8:29:
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God (free will), to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

….but God did not damn the others that did not love Him before the foundation of the world. Instead, because He loved the world so much, He gave His only begotten Son so that whoever would believe in Him (free will) should not perish but have eternal life, too. The only folks who will be damned are the unbelievers. What does John 3:16 say again?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

…selah

gratefully obey eh? endure to the end ... so they are saved by works after all.

I think Christ having given the promise [everlasting life] and we having given the amen and being sealed in the Holy Ghost we will be saved no matter what.

we chose before the foundation of the world? we loved God? John says "not that we loved God but He loved us..."

Even now our love is a poor flickering thing. We RECEIVE His love, He pours it into our hearts by the Holy Ghost.

There is no predestination unto damnation in the bible.

There is no one predestined by God for damnation.

…and Yes, that’s why, for example, God chose and ordained Jeremiah as a prophet. God knew him and chose Jeremiah before the foundation of the world.
Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

- Jeremiah 1:4-7 (KJV)

Let's look at that

Daniel 12 speaks about the great tribulation and the mighty Cherub Michael who stands up for Israel at that time and it speaks about the resurrection of all Israel some to everlasting righteousness some to shame and contempt. It's THERE in Daniel 12 The Jews are to be resurrected with the church. We go to meet the Lord in the clouds of glory, the Jews go into the Millennial kingdom there to turn many unto righteousness.

Did you see what Jesus told Caiphas? He said "you will not see Me again until you say "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord"

"They will look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a first born son"

Israel is not grafted out of the olive, they are the olive, some branches have been grafted out and we grafted in.

but to many who come saying "Lord Lord" in that day He will say "depart from Me ye workers of iniquity for I NEVER knew thee"

Those are the unbelievers in John 3:16-18.

and yet that is exactly what Jesus said ... "go quickly to the highways and hedges whoever ye find there good or bad and COMPEL them to come"

Amen!
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

- 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)