The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

Christ’s one sacrifice is sufficient to take away our sins (whenever we repent).

@Nufan



False comment, Christs sacrifice took away sins whether a person repents or not, its by no means dependent upon the doings of man, thats borderline blasphemy,

Heb 9 26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

May God have mercy on you friend for such a Christ dishonoring comment

Well I would say that we're obviously at a disagreement.Now you could read it again.Maybe you misunderstood something or you're choosing the stick to your guns, you're obviously passionate about what you believe. But let me just clarify that 1 of us is wrong and one of us is right. How you feel, or what you think, or what you believe, or what your emotions are telling you, I'll let you in on a little secret. God doesn't care about these things. Cause god's justice and judgment is not determined by what you think, or how you feel, or what you believe. I do know this for certain, that in the old Covenant god commands that we die to our flesh natrue, and in the new covenant, we are still commanded to die to our flesh nature. So if you're flesh nature is still at work which I believe you have shown us that it is, then what are you expected to do now? You can rely on the law of Moses, or you can rely on the lawn of grace and truth. Now, it really doesn't matter if you call me heretical. It doesn't matter if you disagree with my religion. It doesn't matter if you think that I'm not holding up with God's standard of truth. None of that really matters. You want to know why it doesn't matter? Cause you're not the one that gets to determine that. Now you can use scripture to back everything but from what I've been able to tell so far.Is that you cherry pick and hold onto specific areas of Scripture to form your theology and ideology. You then form your relationship around that theology and ideology. You could include all the stuff that you're leaving out in those books to give you a more well-rounded understanding of what's being spoken of there. But I really don't think that you care much for the truth.All you care about is validating that your ideology and your cherry-picked theory is correct. You also shouldn't be trying to approach it and understand it from your perspective and understanding, but you should be trying to understand it from the perspective of a Jew. That knows nothing about Christianity who is under the law of moses and is now finally stepping into the Malchezidek order and coming under a new covenant of grace and truth. I do like the whole covenant idea that you're throwing out, but keep in mind that all those who submit to the law of grace come under covenant agreement, and in doing so must fulfill the law. Now you are not going to fulfill the law. Only Jesus Christ can fulfill the law. So how are we expected to respond? to Jesus says we must deny ourself, take up our cross, and to follow him. The question is are you doing that?
And I really don't think that you read everything that I sent you. Because part of what I sent you was actually going over both views. Both sides of the part of scripture that people debate about. So I didn't send you anything about God forgiving us of our sins whether we repent or not, That's one of the arguments that people will make pertaining to that particular part of scripture. Of course repentance is necessary for your sins to be forgiven. Although I would say that God loves us whether we repent or not. So you really should try reading it over again Instead of just searching through it, trying to find anything you can argue about without understanding the context and how it was Presented. God bless and good luck on your search.

Christs sacrifice took away sins whether a person repents or not, its by no means dependent upon the doings of man, thats borderline blasphemy,

Heb 9 26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

May God have mercy on you friend for such a Christ dishonoring comment

Let me start by filling you in on what has helped me personally. What does help me personally, is first denying myself of a thing that I found pleasure abd enjoyment in that took my focuse off of god. Second thing I do is I started developing a prayer rule. Then I started joining a community in the faith, then I started reading scripture on a regular and I started to make God, my focus.

Christs sacrifice took away sins whether a person repents or not, its by no means dependent upon the doings of man, thats borderline blasphemy,

Heb 9 26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

May God have mercy on you friend for such a Christ dishonoring comment

What serious sins are you having an issue with?

Christs sacrifice took away sins whether a person repents or not, its by no means dependent upon the doings of man, thats borderline blasphemy,

Heb 9 26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

May God have mercy on you friend for such a Christ dishonoring comment

It takes away sins

One of the Great Blessings of the death of Christ, which applies to all for whom He died, and is the primary reason why His Death alone saved them, it's the fact that His Death took away their sins! They can't die in their sins as these may Jn8:24 !

He was manifested to take away our sins, if we're believers 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

John here is writing to the Children of God, not all mankind. And Christ death results in salvation from their sins, because He took them away.

The writer of Hebrews taught this when contrasting the Death of Christ versus the death of the old covenant sacrifices Heb 10:4

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

But Christ death alone did, and by His offering of Himself, He sanctified and Perfected forever them He died for Heb 10:10,14! That is what taking away sins accomplished for all whom He died!

It takes away sins

One of the Great Blessings of the death of Christ, which applies to all for whom He died, and is the primary reason why His Death alone saved them, it's the fact that His Death took away their sins! They can't die in their sins as these may Jn8:24 !

He was manifested to take away our sins, if we're believers 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

John here is writing to the Children of God, not all mankind. And Christ death results in salvation from their sins, because He took them away.

The writer of Hebrews taught this when contrasting the Death of Christ versus the death of the old covenant sacrifices Heb 10:4

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

But Christ death alone did, and by His offering of Himself, He sanctified and Perfected forever them He died for Heb 10:10,14! That is what taking away sins accomplished for all whom He died!

Atonement means Christ blood satisfies God's requirement of salvation where animal sacrifices could not.

Does Christs Death alone take away the sins of them He died for ? Yes or No

You're not seeing it from the perspective of a Jew. You're also not taking the entire book into consideration. You're also not taking it from the perspective of who the people are that he's talking to. And since you have no understanding of the old covenant. That means that you aren't gonna understand what Jesus actually did and what he accomplished. Jesus fulfilled the old covenant and established the new covenant. If you want to understand the difference between them then look in to the Malchezidek order, and it's laws and requirements, and then look into the Lavitical order and it's laws and requirements. Essentially Jesus was able to uproot the jews from the Lavitical order, which is rooted in following the law of Moses, and transplant the Jews to the Malchezidek order, which is grace and truth. In the Lavitical order if you wanted to have your sins forgiven, you needed a temple. They're in the process of building the third temple now. They now have an altar and sacrificed a red heffer. All the way up until now and the destruction of the Second Temple. The Jews had no way of having their sins forgiven since there was nowhere to go to offer their sacrifice, you need a temple for that to happen.You also needed a living animal, and you need a priest to have your sins forgiven under the old covenant. Jesus says come to me. Jesus is the perfect sacrifice, he is the payment for our sins to be forgiven. So yes, Jesus Christ death on the cross is what made it possible for us to go to God and have our sins forgiven as opposed to going to a temple and going to a priest and sacrificing living animals. But he did not do this so that you no longer have to repent and turn from your sins. But what you have to realize also as that repentance means to turn away from your sins. So those sins that I sent you in the post are the ones that you really need to make sure you're turning away from. Now you have free will, you could choose to partake in those sins. And if you do partake in those sins then you're walking in darkness and you are not a child light. To say that you're saved and that you're forgiven and that you're a child of light you would be a liar. In the same way. If you ask God to forgive you, but you don't repent and stop doing the offense. Then did God actually forgive your sin? No, he did not forgive your sin. Because you're still choosing to be a partaker of sin. It doesn't matter how many times you say sorry. You don't truly mean it from the heart. God knows the difference. So that's why I keep asking you. What major sin are you struggling with. I'm assuming it's pornography and masturbation, lust of the flesh. That's nothing unusual. That's nothing uncommon. That's something that you can overcome throught gods grace and what jesus accomplished on the cross. But you're not gonna overcome it if you aren't taking your sin and your relationship with God seriously.