He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

Why Jesus was Baptized by John

John was the son the priest Zechariah (a Levite). So, by the Law, he was able to be a priest. John also had taken the vow of the Nazarite. This was a strict code of obedience and behavior that demonstrated an additional level of dedication. He was, in effect, a super-priest (if you will).

Jesus was the Lamb of God. All sacrifices needed to be inspected by the priests before they were offered to God.
When Jesus told John to baptize Him “to fulfill all righteousness” He was talking about the ceremonial law of inspecting the sacrifice: the priest (John) must inspect the Lamb (Jesus). In the ceremonial Law, the sacrifices were washed and presented without spot or blemish. Jesus, a living sacrifice, was washed in this same way. John, accepting the sacrifice as worthy, washed Jesus in the water. By this, both men, John and Jesus, fulfilled the righteous requirement of the Law.

Also, this was the actual moment Jesus gave His life up for us. His Father (Our Father) confirmed this from heaven and declared “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” In the tradition of the time, the Father would take a son to meet his creditors. The father would introduce the son to the creditors and say "This is my son, in whom I am well-pleased". The father did this to show who would represent him in business from that point on. It was like declaring, "In all manner of my business this son represents me. When you see him you are doing business directly with me as he is now executor of my estate”. Jesus gave His whole life to the Father: although He had the ability to live His own life, He lived only in the way His Father (our Father) showed Him.

This example of grace extends to believers: we are called to be living sacrifices within the estate of God, our Father: not choosing our own way but only the way of the Father. When WE give up our lives to God, we can then be baptized in water and declare the death of our life in Adam. This is done as a witness to both men and angels. When we do this as a living sacrifice, God, our Father, raises us to life with the same Spirit with which He raised Christ from the dead. The order of these things is not important but the outcome is always the same: we are living sacrifices to God.

I’d like to comment on Mark 16:16. It is a common argument against baptism to say that because Jesus did not say “he that is not baptized will be condemned in the last half of that verse, then baptism is not necessary to salvation. It’s always been a puzzle to me that if that is true, then why did Jesus put it BEFORE salvation in the first half of that verse? Jesus doesn’t make mistakes does He? He must have realized that he is coupling faith and baptism together and having them equal salvation dont you think? I’m sure no one would accuse Jesus of being absentminded or mistaken, but there it is—belief AND baptism equals salvation. Rules of grammar tell us that the conjunction “and” links things of equal value together. Surely Jesus knew that. And still he puts “baptism” BEFORE salvation not AFTER salvation the way men preach it today. Could Jesus be wrong? Why would he do that? It’s no accident that the way Jesus puts baptism before salvation is in harmony with all other scriptures on baptism, like 1 Peter 3:21 and Acts 2:38 and even Acts 22:16. If Jesus wanted to tell us that baptism is essential to salvation should He have done it better? Could he have done it better?
If I say “ he that chews food and swallows it will live, “ do I need to say “he that doesn’t chew food and doesn’t swallow it shall die? Wouldn’t you understand that a person who doesn’t chew food would not swallow food that he doesn’t chew without having to be told? Jesus said if a person doesn’t believe he will be condemned. Did He need to say if an unbeliever is not baptized he will be condemned? Wouldn’t you understand that an UNBELIEVER. Would never be baptized in The name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—because he DOESNT BELIEVE IN THEM!! I’m personally thankful that God credited me with enough common sense that he didn’t have to tell me that.

A contradiction of Mark 16:16?

No..

(Mar 16:16) KJV: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Notice the later part of this verse. Being damned is conditioned on not believing. Not on 'not getting water baptised'

Often we can put a verse into it's opposite and think it is true. For eg.. 'He that believeth and is not baptised shall not be saved.'

The problem is.. this is false logic. Not everything put in opposite of a positive statement is true. Just compare Mark 16:16 with John 5:24, 6:40, 10:28, Romans 10:9-10. Where is the weight of scripture? What is it saying? Do you establish a doctrine of water baptism for salvation based on a few verses.. or the full weight of scripture?

Same goes for Acts 2:38

Act 2:38 KJV: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This is ONE verse of a few that have baptism being put with remission (forgiveness) of sin.

Key question: Who is Peter talking to?

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

What were they called to do first? Get water baptised?

No-- repent.. having a change of mind, heart from God.

The other part of this..is being baptised in the name of Jesus 'for' the remission of sin.

In English grammar.. you can be given something 'for' an illness.

So.. you get water baptism 'for' the fact of already having remission of sin. Now.. so you will say I am just interpreting this to match my own wishes.. but what does the full weight of scripture say about eternal salvation? How many verses.. again.. have not water baptism in them.. but are about receiving eternal life?

(Mar 16:16) KJV: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Notice the later part of this verse. Being damned is conditioned on not believing. Not on 'not getting water baptised'

This does not make sense for all it has to mention is he that believes not shall be damned, and does not have to mention water baptized, for if a person does not believe then of course they are not going to get water baptized.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jesus said water and the Spirit.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Chris.

Here it says water baptism does save us, and it is talking about water relating it to the flood where eight people were saved by water.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

Water baptism is being planted together in the likeness of Christ's death, and if we do that then we will also be in the likeness of His resurrection.

Water baptism is not to show to an outward faith, or to belong to a Church, but it is to identify with the death of Jesus in which He was buried.

You cannot cut out the middle man for we must identify with the man Christ Jesus in His death, burial, and resurrection, by repenting of our sins, being water baptized, and receiving the Spirit.

Water baptism is part of the salvation plan of God.

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father.

They say oh but water baptism is a work, and we are not saved by works, but the Bible says it is the work of faith, for everything we do and think is a work.

It is a work to confess Christ, and to have faith.

Paul said Charity is greater than faith, and faith works by love.

Paul said if they do not have charity, love in action, works, then they are nothing, and they have erred from the faith, so Paul advocates works after a person receives the Spirit, and if no works of love then they have no faith.

Which James said if they do not have charity then their faith is dead, which a person is justified by works, and not faith alone.

John sad if they do not have charity then the love of God does not dwell in them.

So do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed, works, and truth.

Paul, James, and John, all say the Christian is to have works or they have no faith for love is greater than faith.

We are not saved by works, but by faith, when we first confess Christ for that is all we can do, but when we receive the Spirit then we have to have works or our faith is void.

People say we are saved by only believing, and confessing Christ, but to confess Christ has certain behaviors, and deeds that go along with that, and if not then their confession does not count.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.

Those that name the name of Christ have to depart from iniquity because love does not think an evil thought, and does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth to abstain from sin by the Spirit, and love is the fulfilling of the law, and love is greater than faith.

Which James said if they do not have charity then their faith is dead, which a person is justified by works, and not faith alone.

So a work of faith must come after belief, right? When you exercise faith, you must have already believed.
Faith always produces works, but works never produce faith.
BTW...water and the Spirit...the water there is the word of God which is what cleanses an individual...Ephesians 5:25-26.

I see the water is: as in the next verse 6 after verse 5 of John 3 First born of flesh, then born of Spirit
That is the view I am given to see, as in knowing, no flesh will ever please God as man continues to try to and still to this day can't
Only the Son did and can and will never doing it again, It is Done Finished
John 19:30, the risen life came after this done work of Son. That be the new life offered us the people to be born new by God Father not of the self or others ever, imop

Indeed, the bible is the perfect thing in 1 co 13. But is salvation about getting wet, or belief on the Lord Jesus Christ?

If I say “ he that chews food and swallows it will live, “ do I need to say “he that doesn’t chew food and doesn’t swallow it shall die? Wouldn’t you understand that a person who doesn’t chew food would not swallow food that he doesn’t chew without having to be told? Jesus said if a person doesn’t believe he will be condemned. Did He need to say if an unbeliever is not baptized he will be condemned? Wouldn’t you understand that an UNBELIEVER. Would never be baptized in The name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—because he DOESNT BELIEVE IN THEM!! I’m personally thankful that God credited me with enough common sense that he didn’t have to tell me that.

Salvation is about obeying God

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Salvation is never about just one thing! Men can’t even agree on the one thing they say it is about. Some say “it’s all about faith.” Others say “it’s all about grace”. “It’s all about Jesus”. The truth is it is all about all of those things —and more. Let the Bible tell you what it is all about. God has spoken. Listen to what he has to say.
Jesus said, “ If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” John 14:15 and “He who has my commandments and KEEPS them, it is he who loves me.”(21), If anyone loves me, he will keep my word.” (23), “He who does not love me does not keep my words.” (24) 15:14-“you are my friends if you do whatever I command you.”
So I would say, it’s all about LOVING Jesus and KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Well, it's been awhile since we've seen this one. Let me guess, CoC. I know it well... it's the church I grew up in.

Salvation is about obeying God. In the old testament we have the story of Naaman, a leper, from Syria. He was not a believer, not a Jew. Probably worshipped idols. He came to God’s prophet because he heard he could heal him of his leprosy. He was told to go wash in the Jordan River 7 times. Naaman was angry and didn’t want to do it. Do you think he would have been healed if he didn’t do what God said? No, he would have remained a leper. He eventually did what God said and when he came up out of the water the 7th time, he was healed from his leprosy. Was there POWER in the water of the Jordan River to heal leprosy? No. The water is nothing—it’s all about obeying God’s commands. The power to heal or save us i
Is obedience to God. Doing what He says. Salvation isn’t about getting wet; just as healing leprosy is not about getting wet—it’s about obeying God. Don’t let men deceive you. Satan doesn’t want you to obey God.

@Beckworth,

I didn't cherry pick Acts 1:5, nor did I take it out of context. You claimed that Spirit baptism only occured to 11 apostles.


Clear back in Matthew 3, John the Baptist preached this to a crowd of believers and unbelievers about the Lord Who would baptize some with the Holy Ghost and others with fire .

Those who were saved from Hell would be baptized with the Holy Ghost. He was Not preaching to a crowd of only specifically the 12 apostles there. He was preaching to a mixed crowd, some of which would be baptized with fire.

11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

I do try to obey God! I have been immersed after salvation.. I go to church regularly, study the Bible and share my faith.

But these are responses to what God has done for me by giving me eternal life. Not the way of getting eternal life.

Baptism is a response to the gift given..all works are. Not the vehicle by which the gift is given.[/QUOTE

The key here is your statement of “I have been immersed AFTER salvation”. That is not Bible. Jesus put baptism BEFORE salvation. Mark 16:16. That was not an accident. It was not a mistake on His part. It was intentional, because that’s HIS plan—not mine. Hey, it wouldn’t matter to me if He FORBID baptism if that’s what He wants. I personally don’t care one way or the other, BUT it’s whatever HE. says that’s important to me. He says baptism comes BEFORE salvation and so that’s what I have to hold firm to. That’s important to me because I want to be sure of my salvation—and I don’t want to go to hell. Look, it’s so easy to understand. 1 + 1 = 2. Belief + Baptism = salvation. What you are saying is 1 = 2 or 1 - 1 = 2 you know that is not right. That is NOT what Jesus is saying.
It’s the same old scene from the garden of Eden. God told Eve if she ate the fruit she would die. The devil comes along and says just the OPPOSITE of what God says—“you will Not die.” I never have been able to understand WHY people choose to believe Satan instead of God.

God says: salvation comes after baptism. MARK 16:16
Satan says: salvation comes BEFORE BAPTISM
God says: NOT by faith only. James 2:24
Satan says: yes, by faith only.
God says: baptism saves. 1 Peter 3:21
Satan says: baptism does NOT save.
Just like Eve, you have a choice.

I was baptized in the holy Ghost.
That is the only baptism that saves.

Jews Baptise in accordance with Moses law of immersion but that immersion does not remove sins no more than the blood of beasts.They would immerse themselves in a river or pool of water before they could do work in the temple.As the temple has changed,so has the immersion.The temple of God is no longer that building built by man and neither is the immersion performed by man.
The temple is built by Christ and Christ Baptises in the holy Ghost.
Jews still immerse in water today before they build a synagogue.They still hold on to that old tradition.

There is a water baptism and a Spirit baptism, which one is in place, since there is only one Baptism?

1. Acts 1:22
   beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”
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2. Acts 19:4
   Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the onecoming after him, that is, in Jesus.”
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3. Ephesians 4:5
   one Lord, one faith, one baptism;