Predestination is misunderstood...

Unbelief is willfully refusing to drink the cup of marriage betrothal offered by Christ Jesus, likewise the cup symbolizing the entering into the New Covenant.

And yes, many choose not to drink. Their CHOICE. Very obvious by simple observation. Anyone MAY drink......but not everyone chooses to drink.

These cups....

Luk 22:17
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:20
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

How many people do you know that make a free will choice to refuse the offer of marriage (and redemption) that the Bridegroom has made also of His own free will (and at great cost and Personal sacrifice)?
Furthermore, how many can plead ignorance at this point in history? Bibles are FREELY available, and there are living breathing Israelites right now in the land of Israel.

IMO God always has a witness, and is always calling. Its just that few care to respond.

Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

A future glory which right now is beyond our comprehension...

We need to have our resurrection body first so we can handle it.

so true ... and I believe God has always used the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe ... from the earliest writings in Genesis. Jude 1:14 speaks of Enoch preaching Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.

cv5 said:

Its just that few care to respond.

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In Romans 10:9 we read if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus.

The word "confess" is translated from the Greek word homologéō which simply means means to speak the same thing, i.e. "assent, agree with, confess, declare, admit".

So the gospel is presented to someone and he or she agrees "yes, Jesus Christ is Lord" and he or she believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead ... and he or she is saved.

God always makes the first move ... He always reaches out to mankind first ... and God uses believers to reach out to the world. Believers are charged with speaking the truth of God's Word, not man's wisdom.

What are we holding out to others so that God may draw them to Himself?
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The next verse was the logical conclusion of what I presented..

Next verse now included.

Eve's body was predestined in Adam.

Just as... we, the bride of Christ, had been predestined "in Him."


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Not one person is predestined to be in Christ. One does not become predestined until they first trust the gospel and placed in Christ. Once in Christ, God predestines the believer unto the future adoption which is the redemption of the body.

Btw, Eve was not predestinated to be in Adam.

I love the way you get everything right.......
Try being wrong next time.

In the mean while, I will try to get this thread back on topic..

Do what you must ......

Scripture gets everything right. I'm just allowing scripture to define itself not a RCC priest.

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Question: What is the adoption? The adoption is the future redemption of the body. Those who trust Christ have their future determined by God.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Adoption as used back then by Paul was a Roman custom for the wealthy.
It was not like what we know adoption as being today.

When a wealthy Roman man's son came of age his father would call him before him.
If the father saw that the son failed to achieve the needed character and integrity to inherit his wealth?
That father would then seek out for some fine young man having character and integrity and would
"adopt" him as his heir to replace his unqualified biological son.

Its the way they did things back then.

We need to wait for our adoption, because until we have our resurrection body? No one would have the perfection
required of God to inherit the wealth of His glorious powers.

In that sense, our old self will be replaced by our new self when resurrected...

Hope that helps..

I have the pure and perfect word of God to define adoption. The Holy Spirit used the word adoption. It is the context of predestination, not salvation. I already have salvation, but I’m waiting on the adoption, that is, the redemption of the body.

Maybe you do not realize it?
But we are in agreement.

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children [Greek - huiothesia] by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will

I looked up huiothesia in Thayer's:


Thayer's also adds:



As used in Ephesians 1:5, who is referred to as having been predestinated unto the adoption of children? ... it appears to me that, according to Ephesians 1:1, it is the saints ... the faithful in Christ Jesus ...

Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus

... does this mean that until a person is born again, he or she is part of the general pool of humanity as shown in Eph 2:2-3 ... then once a person is one of the faithful in Christ Jesus (i.e. born again), those are the ones who were predestinated unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself?


p.s. Genez - I appreciated your explanation of adoption (Post 6988).
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