Pentecost

Stay in your believe system.
We can be glad that to judge us is not in man hand but in the Lords hand.
I often enough told you why I cant agree with this man made teaching.
Taking verses put of the context and creating from them a doctrine is not new.
And this has nothing to do with my personal expieriences.

Stay in your believe system.
We can be glad that to judge us is not in man hand but in the Lords hand.
I often enough told you why I cant agree with this man made teaching.
Taking verses put of the context and creating from them a doctrine is not new.
And this has nothing to do with my personal expieriences.

You have told many things but never showed how it can be in the word of God.

You keep saying man-made teaching, LOL. You don't know the word doctrine means teaching, LOL.


You can't even show what verse you say is out of context and many of us have asked you to do you just keep bloviating.


In the Book of Acts each time the manifestation of those who received the empowering of the Holy Spirit

What happens? Tell me, what was the supernatural reaction of people who received Supernatural power from God?


Acts:
2:4
10:45–46
19:6


Please explain what was the context of these verses being you know them.

Please provide Biblical Context to each of them. If you can, I will wait.

Tell me one living person who does exactly this was Peter and Paul did and expierienced. Is it normal in pentecostal and charismatic services miracles and healings are taking place. But not 3 of 100. I mean 100 of hundred. And not hidden, but as witness for the unbelievers, that they see that Jesus is real. I never heared in germany witnesses like this out of pentecostal and charismatic Meetings.
How many miracles and healings you are doing every day?

Dont understand me wrong. I believe that Jesus is doing miracles and healings today.
From my expieriences mostly in Mission situation. ( i was 20 years involved in Mission ministrie in India)
But what we found in the apostolic time, we dont have today. Why, because the apostles had an special task and God used them in a special way. This endet why ever, when they died.
We have today 100 of millions charismatic and pentecostal believers. Where is there witness to the World,if they had the same Power as the apostles?
Show me, please.


If you are taking a vers, you have it to use in a common context, near context, culturell context personal context.
to whom is it said, for what purpose is it said. F.e. you cant create an doctrine from Jesu sayings or comands for altoif it was given to a special person ore group in a special Situation.

Indeed I’ve noticed the first letter to corinth is an intended harsh rebuke to excommunicate the sinner among them who’s caused the ruckus and spread the leaven and also a rebuke to the church for approving of it and even openly condoning this sinfulness in the church

and the second letter later is sent to reconcile his anger and rebuke to them in the first , to the mercy he was revealing in the second

a sort of first letter to the Corinthians

“For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but second letter which references the matter again the apostle still considering the matter grievously writes

“For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.

Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.

For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭2:4, 6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

still speaking of the matter

“For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:8-11‬ ‭

It’s a strange perspective we have , we are viewing the times these men were living in and writing letters to groups of believers. To see both of the Corinthians letters at the same time gives a perspective that’s uniques seeing both the repentance and remission of sins

a Paul admitting that even he an apostle was in tears as he wrote then the first harsher letter there’s always love and mercy found somewhere going together with the repentance

Paul loved the Corinthians. Love sometimes requires addressing sins that need to be repented of immediately, and Paul made it very clear that they needed to put this man out of the congregation and deliver him over to "...Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us" (I Cor. 5: 5-7).

I like how Paul references the Holy Days of Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread to help drive the point home to the Corinthians. "A little leaven leavens the whole lump" illustrates that even the "smallest" sin can snowball and corrupt the entire congregation. Christ is our Passover Lamb who suffered and died for our sins - this is our focus for Passover as Christians. The Days of Unleavened Bread that immediately followed Passover put the focus on removing leaven (sin) from our lives as an ongoing process to stay connected to Jesus.

It takes work to purge ourselves of sinful actions and behaviors, and I can say personally that it is a lifelong struggle, at least for me. Sins that I had repented of and overcome earlier in life are now rearing their ugly heads again 30+ years later. It is an ongoing battle where I need to rely on God and the power of the Holy Spirit to identify sin and pray that it is removed from my life completely. Forgiveness and repentance are an ongoing state of mind for me to allow God to fight the battle against foes that are far more powerful than I can conquer on my own: Satan, this world, and my biggest foe - my sinful nature.

Again if you can ??????


In the Book of Acts each time the manifestation of those who received the empowering of the Holy Spirit

What happens? Tell me, what was the supernatural reaction of people who received Supernatural power from God?


Acts:
2:4
10:45–46
19:6


Please explain what was the context of these verses being you know them.

Please provide Biblical Context to each of them. If you can, I will wait.

You missed Acts 8
The context is that God wantet to make the jews clear, that the gospel is for all.
2,4 for jews
Acts 8 for the samaritians
Acts 10 for the nations
Acts 29 for the disciples of John the Baptist.
Thats all. No doctrine, that all who receives the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues. You have to note that the speaking in tongues was understable for the people around.
While this not happend in the todays teaching about it.

I mean Acts 19

Again if you can ??????


In the Book of Acts each time the manifestation of those who received the empowering of the Holy Spirit

What happens? Tell me, what was the supernatural reaction of people who received Supernatural power from God?


Acts:
2:4
10:45–46
19:6


Please explain what was the context of these verses being you know them.

I mean Acts 19

Dear Lord, empower your people as we need you to be an effective witness of your death, burial, and Resurrection. We seek you and not the gifts but the gifts to be used to glorify you. We seek to do the work you called us to do. But apart from you, we can do nothing. Baptize me, Lord, with the Holy Spirit and empower me to be a witness of you and your resurrection. In Jesus' name, I pray, amen.

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭

“Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, And a light unto my path.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭119:105‬ ‭KJV‬‬

light shining in us isn’t always pleasant because it reveals flaws but it is the approaching the light that shines on them so he can wash them away

2 Corinthians 7:10 NKJV For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

Amen - the closer we get to Jesus, the Light, the more our sins are exposed, so He can cleanse us from all sin as you noted from John's verse above. Paul put the light on the Corinthians and the person who was involved in that blatant sexual sin, all too common in Greek and Roman culture back then, and the important thing is they took action, addressed the sin, and repented.

As blunt and harsh as Paul was to the Corinthians in the first letter, his second letter to them was much gentler and focused on the softer side of God, "...the Father of mercies and God of all comfort" (2 Corinthians 1:3). I remember when my dad would chasten me for bad behavior and send me to my room crying. He would let me be there in isolation feeling terrible about what I had done, but he also would come to me later, provide comfort, and explain why he had to punish me. He loved me and wanted me to become a responsible person of good character (still have a lot of work to do in this area...).

I think we have the wrong idea about what true agape love is at times. There's this notion that it should be all hugs and praises, but love also requires correction and discipline. As Christians, we shouldn't come down hard on people we love to assert authority, generate fear, and seek to control them. The goal is to highlight sinful behavior and actions to create a sorrow that leads to repentance ultimately like Paul did with the Corinthians:

2 Corinthians 1:6-7

New King James Version

6 Now if we are afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effective for enduring the same sufferings which we also suffer. Or if we are comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation. 7 And our hope for you is steadfast, because we know that as you are partakers of the sufferings, so also you will partake of the consolation.

We need a blend of praise and pain as Christians. If it's all praise, sin gets swept under the rug. If it's all pain, life is unendurable. Suffering and consolation should go hand-in-hand to lead us to turn from our sins and surrender our lives more fully to God:

2 Corinthians 7:10

New King James Version

10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

The Holy Spirit gives us the power to have a "godly sorrow" that "produces repentance leading to salvation." The sorrow of the world produces death because it isn't filled with hope and the chance for redemption. Often, worldly sorrow gets rationalized away, and people only feel sorrow when they are caught and punished for illegal and/or sinful actions. Godly sorrow, on the other hand, causes us to take a hard look at ourselves and seek out that change of heart and mind we need to bask in the ultimate "salvation" the gospel offers!

Acts:
2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

10:45–46 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,



19:6 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.



Why did they speak in tongues or prophesy?

all verses state :

1. the Holy Spirit filled them, poured out on them, or came on them, and they spoke with Tongues. Could they not just have the Holy Spirit come upon them or poured out and not have a verbal reaction each time?

Sure, but that is not what the word of God says, is it. Those who a biased will never want to see this point they attack and say we created a doctrine.

Is not God real? Is not the Holy Spirit the third Person of the Holy Spirit? Tell me how do you know that you were empowered by the Holy Spirit what was the effects of that happening in your life>


I can tell you That Jesus was right and did not Lie; you will receive the power to witness. That was the point of my post, not the tongues, and some try to make it about. However, to say one creates a teaching based on the word of God and call it a doctrine

FYI, that is the text Book term and meaning for Doctrine.

lol

Now,I know why you dont mention Acts 8. The Samaritians spoke not with tongues when they received the Holy Spirit. But they should according your claime.

Everyone doesnt receive tongues as a Gift only some

“And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’re meant to work as one unit some fulfilling each role like a body a hand does what it does , a foot also has its unique role the eye also and ears each fulfill thier own part but depend on each other to be whole this is the body of Christ

diversity of tongues was a practical gift for spreading the gospel They weren't just babbling bit speaking actual languages coherently to the crowd from many nations of the ancient world

“Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭

remember what happened Jesus had called them to preach the gospel to all nations of people and told them wait for the Holy Ghost to come you’ll receive power

when they do they begin to speak “ as the spirit gives them utterance and they begin speaking the gospel to all these men in their own language so they can hear the gospel he commanded them to preach

Gods power is making them able to fulfill the commission he gave them bu spiritual gifts one being that they needed to be able to preach to people who spoke other languages so they could understand it

Now I’m sore there’s more to it I’m just saying everyone doesn’t receive the same gifts we’re meant to not envy and come together in groups and further the ministry sharing Jesus with the world as a family or “body “ working together as a unit so we have various gifts to accomplish it in the world

God always enables us to do what we’re called to do and always calls us to love each other

Now,I know why you dont mention Acts 8. The Samaritians spoke not with tongues when they received the Holy Spirit. But they should according your claime.