the world is run by fallen angels and demons, do not follow them into the pit seek the Lord.

yeah I mean I sort of prefer to just learn the scriptire because I know that is what he actually taught

see how your saying here

“I did start out as a Religious nut, Thinking I had to imitate Jesus, and was doing my best at trying to do that as best I could. Only to find me trapped in sin, even though I had stopped many of them, I was still trapped, until
I got asked, which Jesus are you believing? I replied what? There is only one Jesus! That is when I got this
There is the dead Jesus. people are trying to imitate,”

Im not really sure what your intent is here what’s a “ religious nut “ lol?

I think this way like Peter taught

“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins,

should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:21-

And sort of like this which Paul was teaching

“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or this way like John taught

“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and of course this way like Jesus the lord taught

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And finally like James taught so directly

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, ( repent) and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. ( believe the gospel )

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Im nOt really looking for alternatives at this point in my life I’m all in with Jesus and what he said will save my soul if this is nutty religion then I’m planters peanuts

“Now brother in seeing God is not of the dead, God is of the living and Jesus is alive as if never died. “

“For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Im unable to follow what your saying I’m an old unstructured hillbilly

Cool, thanks, and all in God's time, not mine. God is awesome, Good all the time as God all the time is good. It takes time after time in not ever giving up on believing God all in all

Amen, you are not weary in doing well as best as you can, thank you.

Totally, agreed and need the truth of all the verses as a whole of the Bible left us to be freed from sin by God, not myself. Yet I see I needed to go after it to see it and be made new by God , not me in trying to do it A perplexity, everyone goes through, as some quit, and others do not. trusting God for you to not quit.

Not speaking of anyone in particular in the verses below.
Galatians 6:7-9.
Easy-to-Read Version

7 If you think you can fool God, you are only fooling yourselves. You will harvest what you plant. 8 If you live to satisfy your sinful self, the harvest you will get from that will be eternal death. But if you live to please the Spirit, your harvest from the Spirit will be eternal life. 9 We must not get tired of doing good. We will receive our harvest of eternal life at the right time. We must not give up.


Galatians 6:7-9

Authorized (King James) Version

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Continue, in trying to see it through, your continued belief to God, no matter what you do or not do. Want to know God above everything else and you will, as that happens to us all that will not give up on God loving us all. That is fact. Jesus did this all the way to willing death, will we? I hope so and continue to love all whether or not others believe or not.

There was a difference in my trying to do, what I got taught to do, by man flesh, from interpretations given me from preachers and leaders, that was good teachings, yet not the whole truth. And now led by God to do. Which you are in belief to God now too, hating doing whatever it is you now hate to do in your mind thought(s) too. I know, been there and never quit belief to God in the done work of Son for me and all others also. 1 John 2:1-4
For my flesh to lead me, distracts (ed) me, and gets me in guilt and shame over not doing it as I know I should do it as is given me to do it, by trying to do what no flesh can do.
As Paul saw this in himself, shared this with us in Phil 3, which only God can reveal to me, you and others also, that believe God too.

The DIY = do it yourself attitude, the I better or else, the should have could have and better it right next time is the religious nut. And that is not bad
1 Cor 15 says much about this nut (seed)
Only Father of the risen Jesus can reveal this to you, nd anyone else in belief to God too, thanks

In the first Adam that failed in "Unbelief" to God by eating from that tree. The only choice that brought death to all flesh. Now is all out and about as the nasty nines and dirty dozen, for people to not do it or else. I am not saying to sin at all. I am saying to turn back to God by Belief to God, one leaves sin and does not even focus on sin any longer, too busy on the new life given them, loving everyone, whether others believe or not. This world as you know is not of God
We are in it and not of it.

Whether, I live or die, I am, the Lord's, (Rom 14) so are you and all that will not quit belief to God will see the truth of this truth for them too
Death is now only of the flesh, not the Soul. God came to save us our souls by Son Jesus for us, The flesh still to this day dies for everyone. Jesus is risen where new life is given. to never die in the Soul.

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

“to turn back to God by Belief to God, one leaves sin and does not even focus on sin any longer”

So what happens when you’ve sinned ? Just pretend you didn’t ? Ignore it and it will go away ?

Or do what Jesus said and recognize what we did and repent and confess our sin so he can forgive them ?

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. ( to do this we have to acknolwedge our sins to God not ignore them )

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”( If I know I sinned and pretend I didn’t )
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬



I dont follow the teaching about ignoring the “ sin conscience “ and thanking God I’m righteous and not like other sinners ect

I’m not sure what you’re saying you’re using phrases like “ just turn back to God “ the only way to do that is how Jesus taught is to do it . If we try another way it won’t work he said that

God forgave you, and all the rest of the world. To ask, what to do with it, if one sins again?

Is a great ?
Once one sin(s) again, has God still forgiven you in it by Son on that cross or not Is there anymore forgiveness to get, be executed for us the people from God? Did Jesus shed his blood once and for all or not?
There is not forgiveness without the shedding of blood. Read the First (Old) Testament. That is exactly how it was set up. To be forgiven once a year by Shed blood of a perfect animal. That became a daily sacrifice from the Pharisees back then to get money form the people. Mis used as it today still is misused, yet in Jesus as dead, not risen, where new life is at for us the people to be new in trust to God to tech us new. Yet people have gotten in the way and brought out religion a Do it yourself our else attitude.

Telling truth, after belief that began at age 12 for me, age 67 now. Have sinned over and over again, by lust of this world I am in, along with all others as well, whether or not admit to this as true for them too or not.
No one is alone in the first born flesh and blood nature, No one.


Philippians 3:12-15

Authorized (King James) Version

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.


Philippians 3:12-15

Living Bible

12 I don’t mean to say I am perfect. I haven’t learned all I should even yet, but I keep working toward that day when I will finally be all that Christ saved me for and wants me to be.
13 No, dear brothers, I am still not all I should be, but I am bringing all my energies to bear on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead,14 I strain to reach the end of the race and receive the prize for which God is calling us up to heaven because of what Christ Jesus did for us.
15 I hope all of you who are mature Christians will see eye-to-eye with me on these things, and if you disagree on some point, I believe that God will make it plain to you—

How fast is any sin past? I bet before you can even blink an eye! So what do I do God, not asking people, asking God personally from within me, Each person is to do this also.
Watch out for the leaven of the pharisees, that say, yeah you are forgiven by God I. Son for you. Then the billy goat comes in and say Butt

Read all of Galatians to see we are only saved by Jesus in his risen life form us.

8 So there is now no condemnation awaiting those who belong to Christ Jesus. 2 For the power of the life-giving Spirit—and this power is mine through Christ Jesus—has freed me from the vicious circle of sin and death. 3 We aren’t saved from sin’s grasp by knowing the commandments of God because we can’t and don’t keep them, but God put into effect a different plan to save us. He sent his own Son in a human body like ours—except that ours are sinful—and destroyed sin’s control over us by giving himself as a sacrifice for our sins. 4 So now we can obey God’s laws if we follow after the Holy Spirit and no longer obey the old evil nature within us.

Yet Dad, the Father of the risen Son I sinned again and not wanted to do that again≥ I need help. I need to repent and begin again.

Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you not believe me in my Son's one time willing death for you? The first chosen did the above constantly repenting, shedding blood over and over again, never satisfying God ever, and then made up their own righteousness of the Ten Commandments, in not understanding The greatest of all Law is God's love of 1 cor 13:4-7. Love all is exactly what Jesus did by going to that cross in the last shedding of blood that reconciled us all to himself. ( 2 Cor 5:17-20) Reconciled is debt cleared, forgiven by God through Son for us all to either believe or not. It is Finished as said (John 19:30) for us all (1 John 2:1-4) (1 John 2: 5-11) then seeing verse 12
You see by belief alone to God, one does new in trust to God, not of any self work(s) or work of any other but Son's done work to work through you in love to all, not a few as only the flesh nature only knows how to love by being loved. Flesh does not love all as God does

So now ask God how??????????????????? and be taught new in. how to let go of self trusting God to do it through you to all as God does that by going to that cross for us to be new in the risen Life after the death took away all sin first, Everything but unbelief. Once believe it all as done for you by God to you in risen Son for you. Your focus will be new and not of the old, where you got to stop sinning over and over again. Not seeing the focus to not sin, brings out sin over nd over again
Time to learn new from God, not of self or an anyone else. thais includes me too. Turn to God, trust to God from within you
You will see new one thing at a time. God loves us all
Trusting God to reveal the truth to you for you to be free


Romans 5:10-17

Living Bible



10 And since, when we were his enemies, we were brought back to God by the death of his Son, what blessings he must have for us now that we are his friends and he is living within us!
11 Now we rejoice in our wonderful new relationship with God—all because of what our Lord Jesus Christ has done in dying for our sins—making us friends of God.
12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the entire human race. His sin spread death throughout all the world, so everything began to grow old and die,[a] for all sinned. 13 We know that it was Adam’s sin that caused this[b] because although, of course, people were sinning from the time of Adam until Moses, God did not in those days judge them guilty of death for breaking his laws—because he had not yet given his laws to them nor told them what he wanted them to do.14 So when their bodies died it was not for their own sins[c]since they themselves had never disobeyed God’s special law against eating the forbidden fruit, as Adam had.
What a contrast between Adam and Christ who was yet to come! 15 And what a difference between man’s sin and God’s forgiveness!
For this one man, Adam, brought death to many through his sin. But this one man, Jesus Christ, brought forgiveness to many through God’s mercy. 16 Adam’s one sin brought the penalty of death to many, while Christ freely takes away many sins and gives glorious life instead. 17 The sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to be king over all, but all who will take God’s gift of forgiveness and acquittal are kings of life[d] because of this one man, Jesus Christ.

John 8:32
and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Focus on what is good perfect and correct, and then one will not be sinning as had and will let go by only trusting God as did it for you to be humble in it. No more guilt or pride

It is sad MarcoftheTruth did get a few to bit.

Never said to ignore it, and the 1 John 1:9, might want to see what it really says in the Greek. To have past tense already forgiven us all. Confess, you need God please. Then ask for God to lead not you, then you will leave sin and not do it again after a long time of trying to get you the self out of the way of God's doing the done work for you, through you.
Are you taking any credit doe when er you thin=k you have not sinned again? Any guilt when you do sin again? That is self work of self friend


Philippians 3:1-4

Authorized (King James) Version



3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

Yeah thanks for sharing everything

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬

If people can’t disagree with what we already think or we can’t disagree with what they think and everyone state thier case , there’s no reason to discuss anything or room for anyone to change what they think through a discussion forum about what Gods word says

welcome, as I know God comes through for all, never knowing how, as he did Saul who became Paul
I only see to go forward daily in love to all, as Jesus did on the cross for us to be reconciled from his Father to us, all to be given the new life, as God does that in all those that belief God. As we each are growing up into maturity, continuing daily in belief to see, even if in any troubles or having sin get in our way.
Hebrews 5:12-Chapter 6, has deep truth to say to us the children of God in belief to God. Thank you for all your sharing too

“The DIY = do it yourself attitude, the I better or else, “

Well then again like I’ve been trying to tell you I believe this way like the Bible teaches

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I don’t want to deceive myself and my point is I believe James more than anyone else because that same lesson is everywhere in the Bible . Why would you work so hard , to get me away from believing what the bible says to think about salvation ?

all your many many many replies won’t make me forget what Gods word teaches believers in Jesus friend

If you don’t like James consider what Paul said the “ or else “ part

“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not planning on forgetting what the Bible teaches here’s an illustration of what I mean

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-6, 8, 10, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

why didn’t they just realize the serpent was lying to them ? A Christian would wouldn’t they just have faith and believe in Gods word about the matter of the fruit ? Why listen to anyone else after Hod tells us how to be saved ?



when I was a youngster we would play a lot on the woods in the south east hills and hollers there were dangerous snakes. My Daddy gave me a machete type deal when I was about twelve big long thick sheath and a strap so it would stick to me leg . Cuz I had started going up to higher hills and lower valleys where the snakes were more plentiful with a few of my cousins and friends

what I mean is there’s a sword to just deal with the serpent when he talks we don’t actually have to be deceived by doctrines we have what Jesus said to believe in

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s always good to know that God has done e writhing we need to be saved , but we also need to accept what he said were to do in reply . This isn’t popular but I’m old and stuck on it and I’m not planning anything n leaving what I’ve learned from the Bible for anything “ “ “revolutionary and new age “

I already have a doctrine I believe is the right one so I’m working on learning that better and trusting what he said

Amen brother God Loves people like no one else he’s just waiting for us to return that love and come home like the prodigal child Inthe parable


We used to sing this in Sunday school and in the cotton fields

“ Standing on the promises of Christ, my King,
Through eternal ages let his praises ring;
Glory in the highest, I will shout and sing,
Standing on the promises of God.

Standing, standing,
Standing on the promises of God, my Savior; Standing, standing,
I'm standing on the promises of God.

Standing on the promises that cannot fail.
When the howling storms of doubt and fear assail,
By the living Word of God I shall prevail,
Standing on the promises of God.

Standing on the promises of Christ, the Lord,
Bound to him eternally by love's strong cord,
Overcoming daily with the Spirit's sword,
Standing on the promises of God.

Standing on the promises I cannot fall,
List'ning ev'ry moment to the Spirit's call,
Resting in my Savior as my all in all,
Standing on the promises of God. “

“and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

thats not going to help a Christian to remove what Jesus was saying in mid sentance lol 😂

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Focus on what is good perfect and correct, and then one will not be sinning as had and will let go by only trusting God as did it for you to be humble in it. No more guilt or pride”

Not if that means rejecting what the lord said like this right ? What if we need to hear this ? And that’s why it’s in the gospels Jesus teachings and the apostles writings and the great commission

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes we have to also acknowledge when we have done something wrong it should bother us a lot so we’ll repent . Christianity isnt all flowers and roses it’s sometimes offensive to our heart sometimes causes sorrow to repentance and salvation

If we’re “ sinless and perfect “ I could see not worrying about repentance and obedience I’m a flawed person who needs Jesus and his ways to live forever

If we do wrong we need to hear what the lord Jesus and his apostles said to do and be forgiven for it and focus on what they said is my position

sometimes leads to trials and tribulations to test us in the refiners fire

i don’t think salvstion is something that is not worthy of all my effort , I believe it is worth all I can muster. Because I believe the warnkngs jesus and is apostles gave I can’t then say I didn’t know about it later and pretend you know ?

It’s really up to the believer friend and thier dealings with Jesus thier own choices of what they want that relationship to be thier own relationship with him through the gospel of they believe or however else they encountered him i suppose if not the gospel I couldnt imagine

At some point we reach the refining fire that brings repentence but it’s hard for us to accept if we have done much wrong in life until we hear Jesus teaching about judgement and forgivness then it’s much more bearable

“Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬


Jesus doctrine is the answer for that terrifying truth

Those who fall for the anti-Paul doctrines always end up believing more and more un-Christian heresies..

those who believe in the Buddha think that all creation was created by a triune God (for them it is Brahma) but otherwise, that every universe has its own god... so according to some, the god in this universe should be a demon...
but they also say that with various prayers, your best friend (light spirit, Visnu) can join you ... they probably meant the holy spirit ...