The Law Is Out Of Date And Will "SOON DISAPPEAR"?

Practice time here in the Forum is about done

That's an interesting statement.

I do not understand why people can't grasp God's word that is so clearly stated. God's written law, as given to Moses, no longer applies to a born again Christian. That is so clearly stated that there should be no confusion. Tell me what laws apply to dead people? Who takes a corpse to court? I am crucified with Christ, through the law I died to the law, by the works of the law I can never be justified.

The law is a shadow. You may want to live in the shadows. I choose to live in the light. I live by the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. That sets me free from the law of sin and death. People can obey the Law to the letter and still be condemned - as were the Pharisees. If we could obey God's law, we would not need the new life that Christ came to give us.

Actually, we can obey God's law. The problem is that there is not one desire in the heart of man to obey God to the degree that He requires. So it's not that we cannot. We will not. Disobedience is the root of sin, going back to Eden.

Sabbath keeping is not a specific day of the week. It is keeping Jesus in my heart every single day—remembering what He did on that Cross for me. In 2 Corinthians 12:9, Jesus tell me:
And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

So keeping the Sabbath (Jesus) ensures that the power of Christ abides in me—day in and day out.

"]Sabbath keeping is not a specific day of the week. It is keeping Jesus in my heart every single day—

If ye love me, keep my commandments. - John 14:15 (KJV)

Indeed. Nearly all members, here, claim they have received Spiritual healing. There isn't much that can be done here. As soon as I am ready, which will hopefully be in less than a year, I'll be hitting the streets and won't have time to be here any longer.

Well said that the law still has a role to play. It plays a role in every believer's life and salvation whether they realize it or not.

As it is written, through the law comes the knowledge of sin. How would we know that stealing is a sin apart from the law? Once we have knowledge of sin, we realize that we have transgressed the law and are sinners and in need of a savior to avoid the wages of sin which is death. This leads us to faith in Christ where we are under the new covenant and law of grace and no longer under the law. This process affirms the verse that says the law is our tutor that leads us to faith in Christ.

To address the original post, the law is still in effect. It will be until heaven and earth pass away and the new heaven and earth appear. In other words, the law will pass away when it no longer is needed and we are perfected in eternity. I am also on my phone and cannot provide scripture references but I have read verses to support everything above. God bless you all.

Christ taught directly from the Ten Commandments teaching not to break the least of them. The one commandment that God said Remember, is holy, blessed and sanctified by God I can't imagine being a least commandment- but yet even if we think it is, He still tells us to keep as it affects our status in heaven. Only God can make something that is holy, unholy, something He sanctified, unsanctified, something He blessed, reversed. Num 23:20 Where is the thus saith the Lord we can break His Sabbath commandment? He in His own Words said He would not alter His Words. Psa 89:34 do we know better than He? All the scriptures He directly tells us not to break and profane His Sabbath. I guess it comes down to do we believe in Him who said to Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy Exo 20:8 , or follow the popular traditions of man
Jesus taught...

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (found in the Ten Commandments- breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


It doesn't appear Jesus taught we don't need to keep the Ten Commandments- not a jot or tittle can be removed Mat 5:18 until all is fulfilled and that is when Jesus comes in the cloud and why breaking the least of them, affects our status in heaven.

Jesus kept all of the commandments John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and if we abide in Him, we too would follow His example .1 John 2:6

To whom did Jesus teach these things? Gentiles, or Jews? Was the new covenant in His blood in place at that time?

To whom did Jesus teach these things? Gentiles, or Jews? Was the new covenant in His blood in place at that time?

Your argument sounds valid if one only considers the Ten Commandments. Once you take into account the other 603 ordinances, the untenability of your claim comes to light.

I'm so happy to hear you believe we should keep God's Ten Commandments. Can you please show me where God wrote and said this?



This is what my bible says:

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Why treat the Sabbath different than the other 9 commandments. Can we edit those too? God tells us we can't. I mean who has more authority than God?

Psalms 89:34
My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


When does Christ righteousness ever change? We are told it is everlasting Psa 119:142

No wonder why God personally wrote these Words and spoke them, He had the foresight everyone would forget.

Exo 20:8 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy

There is no scripture that says the Sabbath has been abrogated or can be edited. It was replaced by man just as predicted in scripture Dan 7:25 by traditions. Something Jesus specifically warned us about keeping over His commandments quoting from the Ten, in doing so saying our hearts are far from Him because He placed His law in our hearts, removing something, especially like the Sabbath where in His own Word says we join ourselves with Him when we keep and He blesses us. Isa 56:6 Hopefully something to consider in prayer.

The New Covenant is made with the same people Heb 8:10, not based on news laws, but based on better promises Heb 8:6 it still has God’s law now written in our hearts and why Sabbath-keeping didn’t end at the Cross Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 Mat 24:20 Isa 66:22-23. God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12 there is no Jew or Gentile if in Christ, just God’s people grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-28

consider that Jesus teaches us to walk every day in his rest

Jesus worked on the sabbath and they hated him because of it

“And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

realizing why the Jews rejected Jesus needs a man to only look at the law in comparison to the gospel it’s night and day a rough blue print and the finished mansion

at he old covenant was made with specifically the twelve tribes the children of Israel

“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The things Jesus taught in the gospel are his words to all people but you have to realize what he was saying to those of the law and those who believed him

Israel was all bound to the old covenant as you see above thats thier covenant Jesus of bc rise told th en to keep the law it was the covenant God made with them through Moses the mediator of the old covenant

when jesus died his words went into effect as the new covenant keeping a day holy there’s nothing wrong with it but when we look at it as our law we then need to actually find out what the law says about it

they weren’t allowed to pick up a stick , or it was a death sentance

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32, 35-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Imagine if that was Christianity …and you machine how truly opposite it is from Christianity and how a commandment says “ thou shalt not kill “ but yet they are being commanded to kill a man for picking up a stick

i wonder why he wasn’t given the chance to repent ?

“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

consider tbat Jesus teaches us to walk every day n his rest

Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17–18). This important statement of our Lord gives us insight into His mission and the character of God’s Word.

Jesus’ declaration that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, not to abolish them, obviously contains two statements in one. There is something Jesus did and something He did not do. At the same time, Jesus emphasized the eternal nature of the Word of God.

Jesus goes out of His way to promote the authority of the Law of God. He did not come to abolish the Law, regardless of what the Pharisees accused Him of. In fact, Jesus continues His statement with a commendation for those who teach the Law accurately and hold it in reverence: “Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19).

Note the qualities that Jesus attributes to the Word of God, referenced as “the Law and the Prophets”: 1) The Word is everlasting; it will outlast the natural world. 2) The Word was written with intent; it was meant to be fulfilled. 3) The Word possesses plenary authority; even the smallest letter of it is established. 4) The Word is faithful and trustworthy; “everything” it says will be accomplished. No one hearing Jesus’ words in the Sermon on the Mount could doubt His commitment to the Scriptures.

Consider what Jesus did not do in His ministry. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus says that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets. In other words, Jesus’ purpose was not to abrogate the Word, dissolve it, or render it invalid. The Prophets will be fulfilled; the Law will continue to accomplish the purpose for which it was given (see Isaiah 55:10–11).

Next, consider what Jesus did do. Jesus says that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. In other words, Jesus’ purpose was to establish the Word, to embody it, and to fully accomplish all that was written. “Christ is the culmination of the law” (Romans 10:4). The predictions of the Prophets concerning the Messiah would be realized in Jesus; the holy standard of the Law would be perfectly upheld by Christ, the strict requirements personally obeyed, and the ceremonial observances finally and fully satisfied.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the Prophets in that, in His first coming alone, He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies concerning Himself (e.g., Matthew 1:22; 13:35; John 19:36; Luke 24:44). Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law in at least two ways: as a teacher and as a doer. He taught people to obey the Law (Matthew 22:35–40; Mark 1:44), and He obeyed the Law Himself (John 8:46; 1 Peter 2:22). In living a perfect life, Jesus fulfilled the moral laws; in His sacrificial death, Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial laws. Christ came not to destroy the old religious system but to build upon it; He came to finish the Old Covenant and establish the New.

Jesus came not to destroy the Law and the Prophets but to fulfill them. In fact, the ceremonies, sacrifices, and other elements of the Old Covenant were “only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves” (Hebrews 10:1). The tabernacle and temple were “holy places made with hands,” but they were never meant to be permanent; they were but “copies of the true things” (Hebrews 9:24, ESV). The Law had a built-in expiration date, being filled as it was with “external regulations applying until the time of the new order” (Hebrews 9:10).

In His fulfillment of the Law and Prophets, Jesus obtained our eternal salvation. No more were priests required to offer sacrifices and enter the holy place (Hebrews 10:8–14). Jesus has done that for us, once and for all. By grace through faith, we are made right with God: “He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross” (Colossians 2:14).

There are some who argue that, since Jesus did not “abolish” the Law, then the Law is still in effect—and still binding on New Testament Christians. But Paul is clear that the believer in Christ is no longer under the Law: “We were held in custody under the Law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the Law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian” (Galatians 3:23–25, BSB). We are not under the Mosaic Law but under “the law of Christ” (see Galatians 6:2).

If the Law is still binding on us today, then it has not yet accomplished its purpose—it has not yet been fulfilled. If the Law, as a legal system, is still binding on us today, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save. Thank God, Jesus fulfilled the whole Law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift. “Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified” (Galatians 2:16).

https://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

“Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious,

how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read.

It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.

But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:7-9, 11-18‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭NIV‬‬