Arminius is inconsistent with theological truth.

The scriptures nowhere declares, that the fruit of Christ's death is a possibility of the remission of sins, and Arminius never could produce any passage to teach such. And to speak of the fruit of Christ's death without scripture is untheological and unbiblical.

Scripture itself declares the effect of redemption is the actual remission of sins and restoration.
and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, Romans 3:24.

Also, there is nothing for the elect to do in order to acquire impunity or a right to life; but only that each of them, in their appointed order and time, enjoy the right purchased for them by Christ.

that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5:19.

And so, yet another thread on this over-worn subject.

Well, either this was predestined to happen, or it's the choice of men.

I would rebut your assertion, but I'm not certain whether or not I'm predestined to do so.

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Arminius is inconsistent with theological truth.

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Does anyone even know what Arminius really taught? In any event Arminius is totally irrelevant to most Bible-believing Christians. And so is Calvin. We all have Bibles, and we all can see exactly what is in them. Those ancient controversies are irrelevant, but the true Gospel is always relevant.

BTW the Five Articles of Remonstrance do not even have the term "the fruit of Christ's death". Here is what is in Article 2: "That, agreeably thereto, Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world, died for all men and for every man, so that he has obtained for them all, by his death on the cross, redemption and the forgiveness of sins." Here is what you said: "Scripture itself declares the effect of redemption is the actual remission of sins and restoration."

That is pretty much a match. So your allegation is totally false. Therefore it would be best to scratch out this thread.

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Hebrews 9:22 - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hebrews 9:14 - How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Romans 5:9 - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

1 John 1:7-9 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (Read More...)

Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Acts 20:28 - Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Revelation 1:5 - And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Hebrews 10:19 - Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Romans 3:24-25 - Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (Read More...)

Ephesians 1:7 - In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

1 Peter 1:18-19 - Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; (Read More...)

Revelation 7:14 - And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

John 6:50-71 - This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. (Read More...)

Hebrews 13:12 - Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Leviticus 17:11 - For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

1 Corinthians 11:24-30 - And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. (Read More...)

John 6:55-59 - For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. (Read More...)

Colossians 1:20 - And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Revelation 5:9 - And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Hebrews 10:6-9 - In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. (Read More...)

Because you agree with article 2, that makes it relevant?

Article 2 – Unlimited atonement
This article rejects the concept of limited atonement, which asserts that Christ only died for those God chooses to be saved. This article asserts that Christ dies for all, but that salvation is limited to those who believe in Christ.


Yes, many know what Arminius taught. And if you agree with article 2, you also believe it's relevant, well it is to most bible believing Arminian Christians.

Therefore it would be best to retract your reply here.

wow Article 2

I did not say that I do, but in fact I do since that is exactly what the Bible says. But you claimed something which was false to make Arminius look bad. So this whole thread is bogus.

Who was Arminius anyway?

He was a man who had an absurd teaching dumped in his lap, and as a means to escape the tyranny of irrational thinking, concocted (rather quickly) rationales as a means to remove himself from its grip..

Arminianism is not the true model to counter TULIP. It was a temporary means. When it was a pioneered it was a way used as a means to reclaim sanity in the face of those who want to dominate over others thinking.

Arminius was caught in a tyranny sandwich. One side was Catholicism, and the other slice were the TULIP advocates.

Seems that era was one of typically seeking to establish a way to dominate over others with dogma..

Tastes great...less filling.

Lol, if he looks bad it's because he did it to himself.

Of course.... Jesus is the "Lite" of the world.

It can also be dragging Christ's name out of the mud by slinging the mud off of Him.... and hitting a few people in the process who put Him there. When refuting false doctrine usually someone will not like the process...

Look at this:

2 Cor 5:20... The very next verse:


Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

Be reconciled! Its not automatic even though Christ dies for you, the atonement must be applied through faith.

The Bible teaches Jesus died for false prophets as well. 2 Peter 2.

You are trying "reasonableness" where as, TULIP folks have disconnected the wires to the spiritual circuitry as a means to force themselves to accept the illogical conclusions that they do... which to them? Are logical!

Its a deception for those so inclined to reason along certain lines.... by means of the isolation of a concept (God's omniscience) that gets superimposed under by the concept of God's sovereignty.

TULIP manages to make God into a benevolent closed minded tyrant who we are not to question concerning what we sense as being illogical. "God gets what He wants!" Sort of like Muslims who would murder you for saying something bad about their prophet. It shuts out those who question what should be questioned...

Dye in the wool TULIP folks are by nature wanting to sit above others while covering their intention by claiming to be depraved and not worthy of anything good. They get what they want that way. "Sitting above others."

Its God's choice that we should not choose!

"Like it or not! I am going to save you!"

Just another weird thing for intelligent unbelievers to study to take note of as to why they should be glad they never joined our "religious country club."


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What are tulip folks?

So the Seminary had a book sale and you stopped by I guess? Or maybe you had a friend who is a “great” theologian and he gave you a book or two on the subject?

How will anyone come or hear the gospel if it isn't preached?
No it dosent. That's just a misunderstanding.